Yeah, that's mainly the only reason why I wasn't sure about the lifelike dolls because I'd expect them to wait until they're all released (but with them all being released and having their own Subetapedia articles it'd be easier to have the ingredients call for items that relate to each species.) But like long term has always been the idea behind this because there is no way this can be solved in a short term way.

And to people crying murder of the 99%, if 500k-1 mil is expensive then you aren't playing Subeta right. I'm not saying that in a condescending way, but quests are designed that if you do them for profit and skip any outrageous ones you are almost guaranteed at least 1 mil. daily. Along with that, I chose the prices based on people who collect Elixirs because after this system we'd maybe get like a new round of elixirs maybe yearly because of a new pet and even then that would be cheaper than just the collection items that get added to the Millionaire Center seasonally. I mean, you're still going to have tons of Elixirs in the system if a change like this were to happen and it'd be awhile before the price was brought up. And if it does shoot up then you can blame your fellow users for inflating the elixirs, but we have such an abundance and the fact that people shouldn't be using like 10 Elixirs a day means they should inflate slowly.

Honestly, I'm leaning more towards a 1 mil. price range right now due to the prices of Potions. Think about it, Potions should not be more expensive than Elixirs. Logically doesn't it make more sense that changing a species' color AND species should cost more than just changing the color alone? (I'm sure there is a flaw in this logic in terms of gameplay and I've been trying to think of it, but it's not coming to me right now) It doesn't really make any sense that someone can use an Elixir of their same pet's species and get a color cheaper than if they used the potion. I get the potions are sometimes the only exclusive way to get a color, like Bumbus or Bhakoru pets, but that isn't really enough.

I do enjoy yolo changing my pets with cheap elixirs, but the idea of changing your pet with effort rather than just with sPs alone is a really nice part of Subeta, and I wouldn't object to it as a concept.

Eg. There could be different tasks for different tiers of colour eg. Arid/Gold/Marsh potions are cheaper than say Nightmare/Reborn, and these could apply to your active pet same as Hydrus/Nightmare. Same could be done for species, and of course not all would be affected eg. I think aenoids, neela, bumbii would keep their current concept?

The quests don't have to be item-based either, I wouldn't mind drills-esque tasks either :) This would be an interesting concept to see, given that elixirs seem to be more often used for quest fodder/rewards than their actual intended purpose.

I really like the idea of incorporating brewing potions and ingredients. I especially love the idea of incorporating the lifelike dolls into the mix, and changing the ingredients based on where the pet comes from. I'm all for little lore flavour additions, too, and this suggestion thread seems to wrap up everything I would enjoy into one concept.

Granted: I'm a little biased since I collect the dolls and I have several pets involved in that sort of aclhemist/apothecary theme/concept already.

So, while seeing things either revamped or added to in this vein would be fantastic for me personally... I also recognise that just because I like thing doesn't mean it's necessarily good for other people or the site itself.

I just wanted to go "yo this is cool can we have something like this?" I guess.

If this happens, I believe you may need to just pull apothecary from the mystery box lineup. I think Keith hinted that the merge was sorta done to fix apothecary mystery box from giving away too many boosters.

I'm glad that some piece of that made sense, pffft.

I'm jumping on the bandwagon though that if elixirs get retired I'd love to see them become an artifact because I was working on collecting them. Maybe not add any new ones into the system but it'd be nice to leave the old ones without the function. That may be too confusing though so I'd probably be fine either way.

Sometimes, I say things that make sense and have semi-decent ideas.

Credit goes to Nicholas for the core idea, because I love it. It's a nice long-term project for the site, not something that's gonna happen tomorrow, so we have time to go and think about what should be done.

(Also I am always hype for explosions)

I guess I am biased but I do not see what it actually helped. it would be much easier to take out apoth from mystery box or do away with mystery box completely (does anyone do this other than apoth day and for drills???) the small stock is something that really appealed to me, there are so many shops here with just so much junk and it's terrible to sit and restock in.

Messing with actual potions over messing with elixirs would require more education, and a levelling system, akin to scrolls.

Maybe with points, with the skills/luck you have with brewing elixirs?

Like at first, you could start with, idk, the possibility to go and brew elixirs for...probably the five most popular species. Kumos, Montre, Jollin, Lain, Tigrean. After like 2-3 successful brews, you can learn how to make 3-4 species and you unlock all of the unlimited species this way.

Then, after this, you start to unlock the former limited species - Telenine, Kerubi, Sheeta, Antlephore, Cybill

After this, you unlock the currently limited species, Cadogre and Endeavor

After this, you unlock the special pet recipes. Aeanoid (Requiring a garden item), Bumbus (Requiring a BB item), Bhakoru (Requiring a Crypts-exclusive item) and Neela (Requiring a Cash Shop item)

After you're done with elixir crafting, you can craft low level potions, like Arid, Lilac and Field, up to restockable Apothecary potions : Nightmare, Reborn and such.

I'd like to have the ability to buy something from Calvin to make Cadogres and Endeavors, yes.

Like, we will have (any bottle that turns pet into the camel experiment) + (specie-specific item) to turn into a (essence of pet specie)

then, we use the essence of pet specie with (color lifelike specie doll) to get the elixir we want.

So, we'd have to bribe Calvin to get the specie-specific item. "Cadogre Oil" or "Endeavor Fuel" or whatever.

If I wanted a Golden Endeavor transformation thing, I'd have to do this

Bottle of Water + Endeavor Fuel = Essence of Endeavor

Essence of Endeavor + Golden Lifelike Endeavor Doll = Golden Endeavor Elixir

AND IDK FOR POTIONS, MAYBE I GOT CONFUSED WITH THIS SENTENCE YOU SAID

I am loving this so much

LOOK AT ALL THIS LORE THAT CAN BE BUILT AROUND THIS SUGGESTION

thread of the year

I also commented you with that one, but if there are potions, I was thinking of exclusive colorfills (not reposes) namely CMY = Cyan, Magenta and Yellow (so that dusk and dawn can be less across the board, and we can have a brighter yellow that's not shiny) and not official potions.

Probably random result? Like YOU FUCKED UP SO BADLY TRYING TO MAKE THAT DUSK AEANOID ELIXIR YOU GOT A MAGENTA POTION, WAY TO GO CHAMPION.

Woah, was not expecting all this to read when I came back, but I just want to say that I didn't want to be too specific in my OP or too radical, but I would totally be on board with Potions getting an overhaul as well (especially since now that I think about it we've kind of been heading there with Glacier requiring traversing the frozen tundra, Glade requiring respect of a natural reserve in order to obtain water, and Hydrus, Nostalgia, and Galactic already requiring their own quest) and basically just revamping the entire structure behind changing pet species/color. There really are a lot of possibilities and I think with a change like this it would also immediately help new users in not only learning about the site, but becoming immersed in the site and I'd hope increase the rate of users who actually stay beyond the first week.

And I have so many ideas, but I feel like maybe if this does get picked up or considered further there should be an official brainstorm topic because I, and I'm sure many others, could go on for pages and pages with ideas.

I would be fine with a way to make these (decanter or elemental mage). That actually sounds like a nice idea! I think I would cry forever if they were just not created anymore. I love them to pieces D:

I would love if it also required wizard tokens because I am sitting over here with a stack over 353k without incentive to spend them.