Well this is shit

Still, I don't know anyone who restock by just RANDOMLY MASHING THINGS HOPING IT WORKS. Restockers have to have a good knowledge of what is profitable and what is not. Same for snipers. And resellers.

Venders have to PRESS A BIG SHINY BUTTON AND THAT'S IT.

You do not need to haggle on super rares anymore. I grab a lot of them out of shops when I'm patient and haven't once needed to haggle.

I knew that for r86-r90, you didn't need to haggle, but until a couple months ago, you def. needed to haggle on r91-r99.

This change is bullshit.

VENDING STILL SUCKS.

Again it is just pressing buttons, whether one is red or one is a mouse. Venders have a limit on how many things they can get while restockers don't have any limitations. Snipers? Since when did we have snipers on subeta. I don't necessarily disagree with adjusting the rates on the rarer items, but could we do it at a time where everyone isn't questing to achieve a big goal? And maybe the rates just need adjusted on the rare items, not remove them completely.

Restockers sink money, no matter how little per restock, and that's important.

I actually like the "big goal" to be a challenge. If the activity rate stays that way, by late Monday, the goal will be reached and imo, that's boring.

Having items becoming more expensive is part of the game. I want to go and find this exciting until the last day, not log in Monday and find that it will just be a formality.

venders sink tokens which helps stabilize their price, also sorta important. for a first time event like this, I think it's reasonable to make this goal sorta easy to get to. Maybe if we had a progress bar they could up the difficulty on it, but I'm not going to argue with getting something for free. I think event criticisms belong elsewhere though. Weren't you wanting a free pet slot anyway? (or a bunch)

We have a progress bar in the news, if this is what you're talking about

I'm one of the people who suggested that entire event idea actually!

Yeah, I want a free pet slot, but I like the concept of the event. I like the energy, the group motivation a lot, and if we go and hit the goal at 3pm monday, well, a lot of people are just gonna stop because what's the point? We're getting a slot anyway.

SERIOUSLY, I'm going to be sad if we have like 500K quests done like by late Monday and we end up the week at like, 600k-625K because people are all "why bother i can just wait for the pet slot"

It's like the super user achievement, it was challenging! Except this event is 500% better

While I am a big restocker, people who vend also have to sink money into it if they do the 500 vends a day that is allowed. Gold accounts can get 350 tokens a day from doing quests. If people vend 500 items a day that is 1000 tokens a day, so they have to buy tokens, which is "sinking money" With the price of tokens right now, I honestly think it cost more to vend then it does to just RS.

I know there used to be some place we could see how many restocks we have, but no clue where it is anymore. I do know I have "Discount Card 123,317,039 sP Saved" so I do RS a ton, but I do like to vend also. You never know when your going to get lucky and get something you want.

Either way it is what it is, just like everything here. We can have an opinion, but at the end of the day it is not our site to make the decisions on. I have learned to just take changes here like a grain of salt.

Buying tokens from other users doesn't work as a money sink, though. It's just money changing hands, since we have no tax on usershop purchases.

Yes, they're spending more. But, they're not sinking SP at all, since we don't have an official shop who is selling tokens

Restocking is a little bit more of a mind game; just buying everything in sight is going to net a lot of junk and likely a net loss. It's definitely less interactive now that it is just click and purchase, but it's still a little more complex than vending.

I'm cool with the vending machines just vending crap. What gets me is the cognitive dissonance of the timing of this. "Okay, so disable the rares from the vending machines! Oh, we don't have enough rares in circulation? Let's artificially induce quests to give out items too to make up for the deficit we literally just created by tweaking the vending machines, which is far more complicated of a solution, but sure why not!"

Not sure why I expected logic to apply.

oh interesting! didn't notice that, that's actually awesome.

as I said above, maybe the next event like this (if there is one, it actually sounds like there might be more of these) will be more difficult. I sorta wish though that we did get something for hitting 1m, but the news post made it clear that we just impress the staff.

though this just indirectly related to vending. if the quests keep asking for the rare and super rare items, cutting them from vending will just cause the prices to go up and not make the quests worth it. people do quests because they're profitable. if I started getting quests that cost 200-300k each even during the event, I'll just not do those quests. I don't know how many people will actually sacrifice their own profit for the common good of the entire community.

i think what Sopheroo is trying to say is that there is a difference in RPE (rate of perceived exertion) when it comes to vending vs restocking (esp high rarity items).

I can vend 250 items like 2-4mins. You cant do that with restocking. Theres competition when RSing, not with vending. There is a fixed outflow or SRs ,Rs, etc when it comes to restocking. With vending, the more people vend means more SRs and Rs into the system; there's no control. Furthermore, yoou have to learn shop items, constantly check shops. With vending, its 250 clicks and youre done.

I know some people think that Keith just likes to fuck with the system but thats not true, he has solid ideas and reasoning behind it (whether one agrees or not is irrelevant). What he cant foresee, is how users react to it (mainly because it's a fake economy) and thats why it has to be constantly tweak. I personally think this is a move in the right direction.

As mentioned, the rates of which rares and super rare are pumped out via vending is too damn high. It is quite possible that rares and SRs get put back into vending, but at a Exp Decay rate (it gets exponentially harder to get rarer items).

While that is true, there is more than one way at looking at it. Restocking can make a person a nice little junk of change, so there for... more sp in the system. Either way just changing sp hands by buying tokens or RSing and making money with little money put into it is not taking money out of the system either. RSing just takes more than some mindless effort. Not much though :P

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Oh wow, I can see I must be tired, because I am finding it hard to read what I type myself. Any-hoot hope you can read my Lynnyese mad typing skills. Haha

I'm pretty sure I got one super rare food as what I think is a quest bonus

But I forgot from who exactly. I want to say Cinthia but I don't remember. I can go and log my quests tomorrow and check if I'm getting Rares/Super Rares from bonus items.

Slightly off topic, but when I vend from CG and get those rares and super rares, those go straight to Pete who, quite frankly, asks for far too many super rares anyway. I think the NPCs need to stop asking for so many super rares if we don't get what we're paying for. Mori/Nori asks for SubQ but they don't give out SubQ as a prize, nor do they hand out more than 100k for a quest really. So why on earth are they asking for something that questers can't possibly profit on? Pete asks for SRs that are 400k and up. He is not going to give us 500k in return. He's going to give us like 50k and two kinda ok items.

If vending is going to be tweaked to no longer offer those quest items that get asked for, then the quests themselves need tweaked so they are more FAIR for the people doing them.

yeah they were added today (after I did my quests lol) rare and super rare foods and books as bonus prizes. it's an okay solution but it's temporary. There was a site update about it. I don't know if the risk vs reward for those expensive quests is necessarily worth it though. I haven't been able to do quests since it was added

How are you so in favor of restocking and against vending if you haven't done either for at least weeks? You didn't know anything had changed in either case until other people told you. Neither of these things should matter to you so much if you aren't even participating.

SBQ needs to be removed from the quest pool, I agree.

Everything else? It's fair game. Not everything was profitable, and I have no problem getting profits from Pete even when he asks for super rares

I play Subeta. I snipe things because it's the most profitable way to make money compared to the little time I have.

I'm affected by the super rares I get via sniping being reduced to nothing because they pour in the economy. There are too many super rares in the system for the uses we have for them.

Pretty much, you want to be able to go and get many rares and super rares, but you probably also want them to have some worth. Or do you just want to go and have rares and super rares for a status symbol or something?

Personally, I'd rather have rares and super rares being worthwhile to restock and snipe. Not be worth 17K

I spent hours trying to restock things yesterday. Book Nook was OK but other shops were hopeless. I'd be there when they restocked and nothing came in.

The problem with all this is that Keith is still tweaking the NPC restock rate. Vending gave us the chance of getting the Normals and Rares which are the bread and butter items of quests. If these items dry up in the middle of the Quest-A-Thon we'll be lucky to hit the target.

EDIT: I've been getting a lot of cheap quests today. Maybe quests have been tweaked or something.