Yeah - I figured there were reasons behind the changes and such with prizes and also agree that while it would be nice to get more for it, my argument that cards didn't hurt spending still stands - we all spend roughly the same anyhow haha.

As for the cards I had a feeling that might be the reasoning behind not being able to start them - but thought I'd toss out the idea anyhow. Unfortunately, when I had to use credit gift cards from stores to pay for things (during the brief time I was without a bank account or credit card) - I pretty much stopped buying things online. The fees that they tack onto those in order to be able to use them was discouraging for me, and it seems for most people. Its one thing if it was a $2 convenience fee - but its generally $5 and up and then there are fees for all sorts of other things hidden in them as well.

I have no reason to brag, nor was I bragging about the amount of money I have put into subeta. My point was that no the reward cards have had no effect on my spending habits, nor would they.

I'm very sorry that you felt that I was bragging when I wasn't.

Would it be possible for the site to look into other gaming cards that functioned like UGCs? (I know there was a board at some point with suggestions, the only one I remember though was the Karma cards, but I'm sure there are others). I know the refillable cards are an option to use for stripe (I have done that for bonus books), but those suckers really take on those charges.

I bought a paypal one for my Mom this Christmas, and there was a $4 activation charge when I bought it.. and the last time I got one to use with stripe it charged $3 per purchase (which sucks if you want double copies of an item).

Oh wow that's super ridiculous, even more so than the $3 or $4 charges (at least the paypal one's are $4 upfront and you can decide how much to put on them). I had no idea most of them were that outrageous, geeze.

What about the amazon payment stuff (I feel like that's relatively new)? I've used it for a few Kickstarters and something I bought for Christmas and it seems very paypalish without being paypal haha. I'm not sure if that's dooable or how it works exactly, but everyone and their mother uses amazon because they're trying to take over the world, successfully so maybe it's something to look into.

Dude that sucks haha, the cards take money from us to use it and they take money from you guys for us using them xD (gotta love the system).

I don't doubt that they've been looked at (it's not like you wanthave to pay bills) (okay who really wants to pay bills, I know I don't r__r) but it's been a while since I remember seeing that board and I don't recall the fees being mentioned (they might have been though!) so I thought I'd mention it. That really sucks there's no plausible alternative, but you know really maybe it just might be helpful to add a bit of information about the types of cards you can buy and use on the actual payments page?

Like the types of cards you can use with stripe, as well as the fact that you can buy paypal cards and load those directly into a paypal account? Knowning exactly what can be purchased and used might help.

I think that would be very helpful info to add to the page! Some stores (Kroger grocery store chains for instance) have store-brand prepaid cards that are typically a few dollars cheaper to activate than national chains. Typically those cards can be used anywhere visa cards are accepted and that means online as well.

I don't think CSC being expensive is a bad thing really. Granted I am able and willing to buy all the csc I need so I never buy with sp anyway. There is just SO MUCH sp floating around though that inflation is bound to happen. CSC just keeps raising in value as more and more CWs and CS items get released that I doubt the price will ever be "cheap" again.

I have no problem with the inflation. Last year when I was working, I used to buy 5000 CSC a fortnight specifically to sell to people, which cost me roughly $65 NZD to buy and it sold for about 3.2m per 100 CSC back then. It is not cheap to buy CSC where I live but at the time, I did it to sell to everyone else so I could get enough sP to buy my non cash shop WL items as not everyone was accepting CSC as partial payment. At the time, CWs were around but definitely nowhere as big as they are now.

With CW's becoming more popular, wouldn't it be natural for the price of CSC to go up with it being in such high demand? People who buy immense amounts of CSC don't have to sell it, especially with the growing amount of CW's and attention being shown to the cash shop. Hell, I am hoarding a whole bunch of CSC because I have a whole bunch of CW's I want to buy from my WL and selling it for sP is just not my priority right now. Besides, why would people who buy CSC with money want to sell it for sP when they potentially have slots they have claimed to pay for, or trying to get enough CSC to submit a CW. Also a lot of people on the advertising boards accept CSC as payment for most sP items these days and I know I am more than happy to pay with straight CSC for items than sell CSC to get the sP for them. A lot of items on my WL are very expensive and why get the sP for it when I can just pay for it with CSC?

I definitely don't think the trade centre CSC option has anything to do with it. I don't think it is that hard to open up a buying board or ask people if they are selling CSC. I never sold my CSC as gift cards in the US. I always sold it on my forum thread and had a ping group that people could join and I'd ping them when I'd restock. I'd never put them in US because if I put them in there considerably discounted and no one bought it, the next person to stock it in their shop would either price it for the same price or discount it further and decrease the value of CSC.

At the end of the day, inflation happens and there really isn't anything anyone can do about it.

The thing is, I don't really consider the hoarding defense to be realistic? People hoard the CSC that has been previously released through means other than the Cash Shop because they know it will only last a few days. If people knew that CSC was always available (within reason with a large timer/highhhh crystal or RB price) they would be less inclined to hoard it. And if it had a set price in the MC it would be a relief to those looking to buy quickly that it can't be sold for 5mil over the price or whatever, people would still buy from sellers that purchase the CSC since once a week isn't nearly enough to keep up with collections and other special items.

Keeping CSC available at a set price for any length of time doesn't make sense for the site. It's Cash Shop Credits, not Buy It With Sp on-the-cheap Credits. The site needs to sell it for real money to survive.

It's like we need TWO reward cards. If you spend $200, fuck, you should get something freaking amazing for the sheer amount of dedication, whether it's a forum title or a Trident of the Banished One.

'nother idea: Extra spending, even after filling up the reward card, is carried over to the next reward card. Say you spend $120; you've already maxed out the stamps on the current card, but that extra $20 gets carried over to the next reward card whenever it gets released.

Back to the topic at hand, whenever I have CSC to sell, I try to undercut specifically for the reason of it still being unreasonably inflated. If others could follow suit, we might be able to bring the price down a notch.

That might work for some people but for people who have filled up their card three or four fold or more would be in the same boat. In theory we would have the next four cards filled up already. In those cases nothing would have changed.

Edit to add: I do think there is less csc floating around to purchase. I know I used to buy csc all the time to sell when I was funding my hoarding gallery. Now I've stopped that and have enough sp I don't have to sell csc. So I don't. I feel like I still purchase roughly the same amount that I used to but I keep what I buy instead because I know I'll use it on CWs or new cash shop releases. I'm sure a lot of people feel the same way.

Good call. :/ Maybe to get the next stamp, you have to spend more than whatever it is currently? (for every 1k CSC bought, you get one stamp? Double it)

This doesnt work. I sold a bunch at a few million lower before, and the next guy/gal just bought it up and resold it at the high price of 49/50mil.

Seriously? I had no idea someone would do that. What the hell difference does 5 mil make exactly?

yeah i hate it, but unfortunately the truth is that CSC will always be in demand. And it will always inflate.

and on a sidenote, i am very surprised how cheap some boosters have become. i wont be surprised if quentins/shinwas drop lowers. Though i wish the mage's drop would return to its normal rate lol, im holding on to a f-ton of amulets.

sPs needs to keep up in order for people to afford CSC w/o having to spend $$$. hmmm....unfortunately, unless the billionaires on the site got "taxed", the gap between lower and upper classes will always be too big.

Any particular reason for the f-ton of amulets? (f-ton is an awesome denomination btw) Mage is a bastard. Why can't we have him as an opponent again?

no particular reason, but in the BC Chat everyone is saying how the mage is terrible so im waiting for confirmation from a staff or from some brave tester if the rate has changed or not.

I have over a few thousand amulets lol so a change from 1:6 to 1:8or9 makes a huge difference.

ps. yeah im pretty sure f-ton is a real metric unit pss. ill stop being off topic now. CSC is epxensive/10.

Idk I think booster prices are relevant to this, actually.

Prior to the cap all of the boosters were worth a lot more, cost a lot more depending on how you look at it, and now they're so cheap I actually use them to top off the stats of my little 200 stat pets I'm too lazy to battle with to get them to those pretty 200/200/200/200s. If the cap was raised, I imagine there would be both an influx of csc being sold as well as the price of boosters rising.

Hell the last time a BA confirmed the cap would be moved, the overall price of boosters went up almost instantly. Which is a quick buck for non-battlers to make making csc more obtainable etc etc. It's just not fun to spend money boosting another pet to the cap so it can sit there and rot while you save up for godlies/take your interests elsewhere or to another part of the site.