As an argument in favor of mass training, I think making it a little easier would encourage more people to train their pets and get more into battling, which could increase sales for things like CS challengers, boosters, weapons, and books. Sometimes making things easier isn't a bad thing.

Also, people seem to imagine this being like the resort check-in, where you press one button and you're done. I imagine it would be more like quick stock, where you'd have to select all the options separately for each pet, so there would still be some work to do. It's just that you'd do it all on one page instead of loading 30 different pages.

Here's a rough mockup of what I imagine it would be like, using the shop quickstock page as a starting point:

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I didn't add it here, but I imagine there would also be an icon to the left of each pet name that would show all the pet's current stats, sort of like how the shop log works. That, and probably a place at the bottom that would tally up the total sP cost so you'd know how much you were going to pay for all your sessions.

I created my pets is batches, so I have four pets in the tier 8-9 range and seven more in tiers 6-7. There are also times when these two groups are done training all at the same time, so I'm putting anywhere from 6-12 pets into training all at once, and I go through this multiple times a day. :P

But how is that less clicking?

TBH - I like what you've put but that just seems hella confusing to me. Imagine a page with 20 pets and you want to train them all, until you memorize where each column is (And maybe even then) you run the risk of putting the pet in the wrong session unless you scroll up to the top, then back down to the name, then up to the top, then back down etc etc.

I like the idea but I think what we have now is simpler in terms of not fucking up what session and knowing exactly what each pet is doing.

- My point was that it wasn't really less clicking (a little bit, but nothing significant), it was more a way to streamline the process so you're not loading a new page for every action. The idea could definitely use some work, but I think getting rid of all the page loads would make the training center more accessible and it's worth looking into.

I just don't see a single button setup working for this the way it does for the resort because there are too many options, so in my mind that's not even worth considering.

's mockup is how I've always pictured it before when this suggestion comes up and would work really well imo. We could have an 'options' page, too, which dictates which pets do and do not show in the training centre too, to help streamline the page further.

I love 's mockup of how to streamline training. 8D I would love to have that. Right now, for me, the page has always looked rather cluttered with pictures of pets. Lots of scrolling and page loading and with a slow computer, that's not any fun. T__T I don't like the idea of things related to battling staying unchanged solely because "this is how it's always been."

I really dislike the shop quickstock and would find 's mockup confusing (thank you for making it though!), but I do support changes being made to the Training Center. :)

However, I hate the "one-click" mentality that's creeping up on Subeta and that rationale doesn't justify anything to me. This site has real issues that it needs to take care of that have little to do with the amount of clicking required. Clicking. I can't.

At the risk of being shunned by the battle community for speaking up, I don't agree that is the only one that has a problem w/ the constant clicking. It's a p.i.t.a. I too work 11+hrs a day in the IT field...you going to tell me to find s/thing else to do? Way to promote the site.

Why get so peeved about being pinged on "new" ideas that would make the website more efficient? I don't see people asking for training sessions to be the same amount of sP for a tier 10 as it is a tier 5. That's not what the Train All should or would be used for. You have multiple options to quick stock and it's really not that hard to memorize what column is what.
What did was make it easy. How is that any different from making a Train All option which would be more efficient? The best websites are the ones that are efficient and continue to grow based on these "new" ideas. Technology doesn't improve by people constantly saying "well back in my day we did things THIS way..." :P

The only thing that bothers me about being pinged on these ideas is how they get shot down. Aside from a few nice battlers who are patient enough to explain WHY they think this isn't a good idea, they are vetoed in such an unwelcoming way that leaves the new generation of battlers wondering if this is even worth it. Maybe that's the point.

Why are you upset that an idea is being shot down? Ideas are shot down all the time, especially when they're not necessary. Nobody is being "unwelcoming" to a "new generation" of battlers, they're simply shooting down an idea that isn't necessary and they don't want. That is, if we're pretending that it's entirely up to the users to shoot down a suggestion (it isn't.)

Who cares if it's efficient and easy? Not everything has to be handed to people. It doesn't matter how long you've worked, you haven't earned an easier time on here.

There's nothing wrong with the current training system. There's no need to make it any easier for people to train their pets. It's easy enough.

People whine all the time when an idea they like is shot down and then go on about how nothing improves if changes aren't made. Sometimes changes aren't made because they don't need to be made. Not all ideas are made equal.

Not upset, hun. I just empathize for some. I don't believe it's about having things handed to them and while maybe half may want that, there's still another half that would like to see efficiency, which is exactly what was talking about by streamlining some things.

I've seen the whiners and I do my best to ignore it. I'm not speaking up for them or anyone else. I just felt inclined to express my thoughts on the matter, just like others have done. This is what a forum is for, no?

Please do not call me "hun." Not trying to be a dick by saying that, I just really dislike it.

You seemed upset in your post, saying it's a pain in the ass to click to train your pets and, "you going to tell me to find s/thing else to do? Way to promote the site." As well, saying people are being unwelcoming just because they dislike a suggestion and are speaking up against it seemed a little overboard. I've not seen anyone being unwelcoming and shooting down a suggestion is not in itself unwelcoming.

There's just no need to have it be any easier than it already is to train pets. Adding a mass train option would be handing stuff to people. There's no need to "streamline" it. It's simple enough with paying sP or paying CSC and sP to train. It's not like some other sites where you have to hunt down certain items to train your pet. It's a simple few clicks for each pet.

Sorry for the friendly "hun" gesture, but the appearance of an unwelcoming attitude in your post is exactly what I refer to. While it's hard to judge accurately on a person's feelings in a simple post, I think we're digressing and moving away from the original post idea. As I said, I merely expressed my thoughts on the matter.

Also, from my first post in here, I mentioned that it's not so "easy" for people to train multiple pets when they have bandwidth issues. I personally do not, but I know plenty that are running at much slower speeds.

Shooting down a suggestion is not in itself the part that's unwelcoming - it's how it's said. It's b/c you agree w/ others, and I agree w/ others, we've already given ourselves a biased perspective in how we interpret what those others say, so it's usually going to vary and we are just not going to agree on things. I don't know how much more objective I can get than that.

Erm... right, so because I asked you not to call me "hun" because I dislike that, that's unwelcoming...? And you're allowed to make comments that are overboard but if I mention it I'm unwelcoming again?

No, if you were someone who had the same viewpoint as myself on this suggestion but said the things you did I'd most likely still comment about it. You're projecting just a bit there, assuming that because I've "chosen a side" that I'm going to misinterpret what people say. It's kind of hard to misinterpret someone saying they're at the risk of being "shunned" by the community, how people are "unwelcoming" and comments about, "Way to promote the site."

I'm really very sorry that you find me "unwelcoming" for not agreeing with a suggestion and responding to what you said. I disagree with the suggestion and your complaints about the community. If you choose to find that unwelcoming, so be it.

I speak for myself on the shunned part b/c a lot of people won't speak up for the fear of "making waves". While it's obvious some could care less and voice just about anything, I don't refer to them.

I said sorry for the word "hun", but that's not the part I meant to mean "unwelcoming". Using a term such as "overboard" to interpret what I have expressed is, well, overboard. While I'm not going to quote several other posts I read (b/c frankly, I'd rather spend my time questing or actually playing on this site) but it has been mentioned that those who didn't like the way things are should find s/thing else to do. That's exactly what I was referring to when I said "way to promote the site".

Again, it's not the disagreeing part that I find unwelcoming and I have already mentioned that. Several others have expressed why they disagreed w/ an idea (not just this one) in a much more objective way and it's b/c of them that I want to continue in the battle community and strive to be where they are now. They are inspiring, in words and pet tiers and how they help the "n00bs" who work at training their pets.

I'm not looking for the "click all" button. I just think it's a good idea. If we can agree to disagree, I think that would be a good idea, too. :)

I love this mockup! I had no idea what a more streamlined training page might even look like, so having a visual of something that could work is really neat.

I can't speak for anyone else, but it isn't really the clicking itself that's a pain in the patootie, it's all of the new pages that need to be loaded. Like...it slows everything down and I think someone mentioned that folks with older computers/slower Internet really feel it. This also might make me sound like a total wimp, but I use a track pad for all of my clicking and it does end up making my wrist/lower arm hurt when I've gotta pushpushpush with my fingers and hand up and down to get to the different buttons on every new page over and over (it doesn't seem like much but it adds up; or maybe I just have really noodley arms and need to work on some real life training instead of training my pets!). So the mockup isn't a lot less clicking but it would definitely reduce clicking and some of the issues with page loading. Sorry for hijacking your conversation, I just wanted to try and offer some insight.

Anywho, that Esc thing works great so I'll be using that from now on if a streamlined page isn't created after all. 😊

Sorry, then. I don't see how I was unwelcoming. I am sorry you feel that I was, but I just can't see it. You say it's not because I'm disagreeing, but that's all I did? The only complaint I had about your post was that I thought your post was complaining about things that aren't really issues.

I don't see the community as unwelcoming at all, but maybe that's just me. I don't think dissenting opinions are beaten down, unless they're ideas that people don't see as being necessary. Sometimes people can't tell the difference; I've seen that enough in the suggestions forum, where someone makes a suggestion that isn't necessary or is foolish and when people say, "I don't think we need this," they get very defensive. I'm not saying that anyone in this thread has been like that, I just mean it as an example of how sometimes people don't understand the difference between an unwelcoming community and people not liking their ideas. Yes, I've seen some people get really snarly when they don't like a suggestion, but I find that more often for the really lazy suggestions that would be very detrimental to established players while benefiting new ones far too much.

Honestly, I do think you were overboard with a bit of your rant, especially because it didn't really have much to do with this thread. I get you're frustrated with things that've happened in the past, but those things didn't even show up in this thread.

Some battlers can be dicks, but some people can be dicks in general. The one glaring example of a battler being awful was shot down by everyone. I haven't found battlers any worse than other groups of users on the site.

I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. I don't mean to make you feel attacked by commenting on your post, though.

As others have said, thanks for doing the mock example, but I, too, hate the QS format. I can see why it would be efficient by seeing everything at once but how much more frustrating would it be if you tried to train your pets for a specific stat, only to be denied because of level restriction?

For example: if I wanted to train Adam in Health but was unable to because of his level being too low, it would give me the Error 404, and direct me to the last page. It would not be too bad if Adam was only one pet that had this error. You would know which pet to correct.

Now imagine having this error for 15 pets. How could you keep track of which pet you need to correct? I know you suggested displaying their stats in the same page, but that would only add to the overwhelming page as it is. Furthermore, if you had 20 pets, and all their stats were displayed on the same page, that page would be very long. I would hate to use this page on mobile.

And as a disclaimer, no body is making you train 20 different pets. If you can't handle the clicking for 20 different pets, then don't do it. Nobody is making you train all your pets. If you can't handle the clicking, do not do it. Nobody is making you train all your pets. If you can't handle the clicking, do not do it.

A slightly different reason for not liking 's mockup: I like seeing my pets when I go to train them. I really do. I like seeing their stats and their overlays (some of which are custom, and part of the reason I have custom overlays is so I can see them everywhere, including the training page). Also, I don't want training to feel like I'm quick-stocking my shop.

I can definitely see how the quick stock format would be difficult to use, and the spreadsheet-like look isn't the most appealing, no matter how you style it. I can't really think of another way to do it though.

So I think I'm ready to scrap that idea. :P

What if instead, they kept the page setup we have now but worked some javascript magic into it? When you click a button to start or end a training session, it's replaced with a little loading message before showing you the results, right on that page. It wouldn't reduce the amount of clicking at all, but at least it would get rid of the extra page loads.

The one downside is that if the site's javascript stops loading (as it does from time to time), you might have trouble using the page. I think there are ways to program around that though, so it shouldn't be a real issue if they remember to account for that during development.

- I would love to see some javascript as part of the training page. I only have three pets (all of which I train), and the number of pages I need to load in order to put everyone back in the training center seems a bit excessive.

I actually really like the quickstock version. Why not make it like inventory and quickstock, as in both exist but you can choose which to use.

The training page as it is now would be like your inventory, where you deal with each item/pet separately.

Then you can go to a different quickstock page if you want to perform mass actions.

If possible, it would be great if there were a column that said "next available stat" which would basically just take the first option that is available in the drop-down menu. That way you could still load up on say health if that's what you want to do by choosing its column, but if you're just putting everyone in for the next session, you have a quick option.

Also if possible, it would probably make sense to only have pets available to go into a training session show up on the quickstock page (kind of like how locked items don't show up, pets in session wouldn't show up).

I train almost all of my pets, right now I have 31 out of 34 above tier one, all in varying stages. Not having to load all of those pages over and over and over again would be so wonderful - it's really not the clicking at all that is frustrating, it's the page loading (especially if the site is lagging already).