July 4, 2008 5:01 pm

Personal Information and Security

Due to this ruling on Youtube! we are adopting a new standard of deleting logs after a month. Hopefully other sites also adopt this method.
What this means is, that we will be deleting our log files monthly, that keep track of your pages visited, and your IP addresses. While this information helps us track down multiple accounts and cheaters, at some point in the future that information could be requested by some bully corporation, and if this ruling is any indication, we'd be required to give up your personal information and your browsing habits to that corporation.
To keep it simple, it means that we're protecting your privacy, and making it harder for large corporations to request information about where you've been looking on the internet.
If you share a computer with someone else, you're fine! Don't worry about it :)

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

THUMBS UP!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

So with this YouTube thing, are people that have just watched copyrighted videos and stuff going to get in trouble? Or just the people that posted them?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thanks Keith! It sounds like your really trying to do right for your users and its nice to see I have been on Neo for years and I think their just getting worse and worse, not to mention how many spybots I get from going onto that site Thats why when a friend told me about Subeta I was glad to come and check it out Thanks again for caring about your users

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thank you so much guys. :3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This is why I love this site so much. The staff cares for the users and their privacy.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thanks For The Heads Up Keith!! I Am Also Glad To Hear About The Multiple Users On One IP Address.. Because My Friends Use The Computers Not Only At My Boy Friends But At My House As Well (Just Depends Where I Am.. My Friends Are Flexable ) We Would All Hate To Be Frozen Because Of That.. This Is Our Release To The ";Real World"; SUBETA ROCKS!!!!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Viacom...? Don't they own Neo? No wonder why that site has gone down the drain. Ick. =x

The whole duration I've been on this site, I've seen the staff treat us users with utmost respect, and I can't thank you enough for being so full of win. :3 Makes me wanna kick all the people who complain about this site, quite frankly it's the best pet site I've ever been to. =]

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Sweet. Good idea Subeta Love it

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Firstly, I'd like to applaud this decision. I do have a question about it's implementation. Will the data be scrubbed monthly as in, a certain time of month each month... or monthly as in, the data will be deleted once it is 30 days old?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thank you subeta staff and Keith for protecting our privacy! I share a few computers with my whole family. I really don't know what sites they've been on so yea. XDDD

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thank you Keith and the all the fine Subeta staff for caring about your users by implementing this. I read about the Youtube ruling yesterday and was appalled.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I'm glad Subeta is doing this. I wasn't really pleased to hear about that my gf has an account on YouTube she uses a lot to watch videos. That isn't right at all.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Sorry for triple post. Yes, the User Files that checks to see if we lose any items are the logs he are deleting, I think. The way I think they work is that the UA checks your IP and sees where you have visited and how you could lose the item. :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Love the David and Goliath scenario and I relish the idea of Subeta being the fly in Viacom's soup...or the burr under its megacorporate saddle. But in the long run, it will probably end up being a stopgap measure. The sad truth remains that the hardball boys with the biggest bankrolls tend to rewrite all the rules to suit themselves. Final Analysis: money runs government, government runs law and privacy runs aground.

PS If you really ARE being watched, can you still be considered paranoid?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

And THANK YOU Keith for keeping our privacy. Blurgh. Viacom has made things horrible. First Neopets, now Youtube?!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

. I don't think an user would suddenly realize they lost an item after a full month.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By Keith:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Logs are huge text files just full of user information, and requests hitting the web server.

UA's have always referred to ";logs"; as where they search for items, making it sound as if each user has a log within the system somewhere.

At this point it isn't clear if the user log files that UA's use for review and the log files you intend to delete are different files. It still sounds like it might be the same file.

Wouldn't backed upthatfiles would contain the same info you are intending to delete?

Correct me if I am wrong --- Backed Upthatfiles would have to be decompressed to be reviewed wouldn't they? The User Files that contain the data that UA's review when we lose items, seem to be the same type of file if not the same file as the one you are discussiong deleting.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I don't get the point. And I think anyone who actually fully knows/understands what you're posting about here wouldn't get it either. It's a nice little piece of propaganda to keep the masses happy, right?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

(Posted by flopsybunny

Anyone find it a bit ironic that we're being told all this on INDEPENDENCE DAY)

Actually,I went to that site and people started posting about it yesterday..

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Yeah it's definitely ironic. :/

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">You're also spied on, your cellphone is also tapped by one out of the three current major carriers.

I love conspiracy theorists. No one outside of politicians and organized crime rings are that important to be spied upon. I know I sure as hell am not.

I don't agree with the judge's ruling on the Youtube videos, I think it's awesome you want to protect your users, but I don't agree with that statement.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Anyone find it a bit ironic that we're being told all this on INDEPENDENCE DAY?

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

How long would you normally keep the files? At least it'll free up a little bit on the servers. :3

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

;w; Thanks so much for caring about us! melodramatic happy tears Viacom seems to be trying to take over everything recently. 7_7 kicks Viacom

I'm a bit dissapointed to say that this is the only pet site (or site in general) that I see as friendly even in the least bit. group hugs staff

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Logs and database backups are two entirely different things.

The database backups are made more frequently, and kept for a long period of time (made more frequently now, since the last incident)

Logs are huge text files just full of user information, and requests hitting the web server.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Wow, you guys seriously rock. Thanks for caring ;]

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

I wonder if neopets staff will start asking their users to boycott subeta for questioning their leader.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By Keith:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">So that means that we shouldn't stop it here? You're also spied on, your cellphone is also tapped by one out of the three current major carriers. Does that mean that the other two should freely, just because one does?

I don't understand your logic.

I didnt say not to do it here I suggested that perhaps the file purges be less frequent - especially since this iste isnt very stable and items are getting glitched out of existence or getting lost in a recess of a database somewhere - those log files contain information on pixelated items we have acquired while playing on this website and when we discover them missing we can contact a UA and hopefully we can get them back. If the logs are deleted once a month then there is a one month time limit placed on all lost items, isn't there?

You will have my IP info logged, no matter how often you delete the logs.

So since my personal basic info will always be avaiable I don't see the logic in being overly concerned with the logs being deleted with any frequency

As a player I feel that logs should be held onto longer so that ya'll can review them for cheaters and have them available in case an item goes poof.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Ohh Thank God! I share a computer with someone else but good thing I dont need to worry about it!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Subeta is my connection to the world, I probably would not have heard about this were it not posted here. XD

At any rate, it is somewhat disheartening to see that someone else can a mistake (either google for hosting the videos, or the individuals for uploading them) and because of that everyone can have their information released. :c

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

So this another problem caused by our old fiend viacom(Yes I mean ";fiend"

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thank you for the heads up on this and for taking steps to protect our privacy.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;"> All stuff that is recorded and stored no matter where I go when I am on line.

So that means that we shouldn't stop it here? You're also spied on, your cellphone is also tapped by one out of the three current major carriers. Does that mean that the other two should freely, just because one does?

I don't understand your logic.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

That will free up some server space as well.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

quote by aiya: Thank you so very much Keith. It may seem like it does not matter much now, but I know you are looking out for your users for the future, when Viacom may suddenly want to make it matter. I have had to watch them take over THREE franchises that I loved and ruin each one of them. Subeta may e small, but do not underestimate Viacom's greed. We love you Keith, for looking out for us when we can do nothing about it ourselves.

She couldn't of said it better. Thanks Keith. Nice way to stick it to the man. XD

Anyway, this helps on my Viacom boycott, a lot. Thanks again.

I really hope Viacom doesn't try to buy subeta. They bought neopets, and now it sucks. I'd hate for that to happen to our beloved subbie.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Why thank you.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

This is especially useful considering the fact that Neopets is Viacom-owned and someday they might decide that the concept of online pet sites is somehow copyrighted by them. >> Not only that, but they could use item logs and similar things to see why Subeta appeals to its users, then attempt to copy it. Haha, let's see them scramble of the idea that friendly staff and protection of privacy are a factor in the user appeal. -_-

Seriously, thanks for this.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Quote By Kieth:

; border: 1px solid ; font-family: georgia; font-size: 10;">Lets see, this information is in those logs: IP address (your location), referrer (where you came frrom to get to Subeta), your browser, your operating system, your request (exactly what you asked from the subeta servers, including comment text, forum text, etc)

All stuff that is recorded and stored no matter where I go when I am on line.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Fight the power baby hehe

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

why do those compaines do that we need privacy T T

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thanks

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thanks for looking out for our privacy Subeta staff

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Lol, it's like getting caught smoking pot. Instead of handing over your stash, you set it on fire so that no one else can get it. Haha.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

...Wow. Thank you for protecting us from the big, mean corporation, Keith. Seriously, I appreciate the lengths you go to for your users.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thanks so much for alerting us to this c: Most sites definitely don't take as good care of their users as you do. Thanks again!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thank yew guys for caring about us :] It means a lot!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Oh this is great Thank you guys!

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Thanks for looking after our privacy, the subeta staff feels like humans and not robots or someting, like it feels like with other sites I have been too.

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

Omg, Keith and the staff, thank you for caring about us! <333 You guys are great! =";D

It is so good to know you are looking out for our privacy and best interest. <33 You rock! 8D

December 31, 1969, 7:00 pm by

A group of my friends are gonna go through every anti viacom youtube video. And we have alotta friends already ^^";

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