This is all well and fine, but Keith I'm wondering just when you're going to get trades working again for IE users? It's been a couple of weeks, patience is running out, extreme aggravation is running in.
I love that when you want something, you can get it immediately. Personally, I don't think the shops should go over 250k or 500k max. The problem is, anything in the shops that sells for a large amount of sp, drops massively in price very quickly; but I guess that is undercutters. Good for buyers, bad for sellers.
I wish everyone had and used the autopricer.
I'm interested in the effect this may/may not have on the economy nods Whereas several people are screaming over the autopricer limit, I personally could care less if the limit is 250k or 100k or otherwise. I can always seperate items that need hand priced into a seperate shop nods
Like Neekster, I vend. We are victims of vendaholicism. It's a disease. We handle it by filling out shops. When I get UBs from the machines I find out their worth, then decide where they'll go. If it's a UB over 250k, then I'm more likely to throw it is my vault unless I have a severe lack of use for it. This new limit just means less vault clutter.
I'll still gladly buy GAs, make cash shop purchases, and such. That money (to me) has less to do with what I can do on the site and MORE to do with helping fund site expansion, improvement, and research. But hey, that's just my view.
I don't think it would be a good idea... items value is constantly undercutted : (
This will help us Item Hunters, for example, people cannot be online at the trades the whole time, and some are slow to respond on trades, so now it is great that we can buy ubs in shops ^__^
Awesome, thanks! When you really think about it, there's no actual reason for there to be any limit on the shops at all. Isn't Neopets the only other site that puts limits on shop prices? Most online games let you price things however you want in shops and don't force you to deal with trades unless you actually want to trade item to item.
I think the "deflation" thing is a red herring. So often items are said to be "worth 5 million" just because that's how they're listed in the Trading Post, when really they aren't selling at that price.
An item is only worth what people will actually pay for it. If the relationship between supply and demand actually supports a price of 5 million for an item, then any items placed in shops at 1 million will be snapped up and the price will go back up to 5 million again with a little patience. If the supply/demand relationship will only support a price of 750k, then the item is worth 750k, not 5 million.
If you really think there are items in shops now that are drastically underpriced, why not buy them up and try to sell them at the higher price when it goes back up, as it's bound to if the items are really artifically deflated.
I think the autopricer should be the same price as the shop limit. o-o
Holy o.o;
I really don't know if this is good or not but thanks xD checks trades again
Now if only the auto pricer was updated, this would be so much more awesome! keep it up subeta team! hopefully this will keep the prices on new items down and help give the market the challenge it needs to keep it fair!
Hmm. I'm semi torn on this one. It's awesome to be able to buy more things from the shops in a heartbeat when you need them, but I've seen the prices plummet so fast.... I guess we'll just have to wait and see. o.o;
Maybe we're being taught a lesson.. rolls eyes
Wow, it's just testing. :/ Calm down, people! If it doesn't work out, I'm sure it will be done away with and if it does work out, there will always be people griping on both sides of the fence. 
So I guess the gripers win both ways! 
I think 250k is more then enough to sell in user shops...anything else is not worth it...you have to check everyday to see the prices of your UB's....this last increase is stupid...soon there wont be any items left in trades! The novalty will wear off soon...
Why are people always interfering in other people's business? If I have an item of which there are 10 more in trades, all priced at 10 mill and I want to sell mine at 7mill cos I want to get the sP quick, who are you to tell me what to do and label me as 'undercutter'? I wish people would just learn to live and let live.
Frankly I'm sick of these price increases. I'm tired of having to check every UB I own and see if it's now in shops and then make sure that every ub that is buyable (which is most of them) isn't being overpriced in the user shops and trying to sell for 500k when it has some priced at 200k in trades or something.
1million sp is too much for user shops if you ask me. I am not happy about this.
I keep seeing everyone complaining about the deflation of everything....well there's been a lot of inflation also. Many of the items that Pete ask for that used to sell in the trades at just above 100k are now priced 500k. Deflation will occur with those items because many people will not pay that much to complete a pete quest...at least I know I won't. So eventually the price will deflate to the normal supply/demand standards.
Items that were previously higher and are now deflating...it's only because the supply of the item is more than the demand at this point. If you want to use the trades, then use them. Me and many others won't be able to buy from you though cause we are stuck with IE...which means what we can do on this site is a bit limited until the recode.
Another comment about the deflation....if you have an item priced in your trades for 2M and there's tons of others with theirs at the same price.....maybe eventually someone will come along to buy one of the items because they want it, but they may buy from someone else rather than you. It may be another week before someone else comes along that wants that item. Until then, your item still may be 'worth' 2M, but what good does it do you if you can't sell the thing. When the prices drop, other people may be more interested in the item at that point. There's quite a few items I would love to have, but I refuse to pay 10M+ for them...so I'll sit back and wait until I see a good price on the item, and then I'll buy it. I'm sure others do the same thing.
I don't intentionally try to 'undercut' prices, although I may not advertise an undercutter price, I may accept them. Just like the Sakura I have in my trades...last I looked the lowest price was 5.5M. If someone came along and offered me 3.5M for it, then I'd accept without hesitation. What good does the item do me if it's just rotting away in my trades? I'd rather have some of the sP to do some nice Christmas shopping with.
... Sweet! Kinda been waiting for this. X3
This is good, cause prices get lowered and quests is easier to do.
This is bad cause the prices sink making less profit on sales.
It's double edged certainly, but I love this. I sell items I would never have been able to get sold in trades.
It's not hard to ask if one wish to move an item to trades to trade it for another item either.
Keep this!
I gave the 500k thing a chance, and I don't particularly like it. Super rare minions that were 500k-1mil before, suddently crash down to 50k... Making the limit even higher isn't exactly going to help. I prefer 250k maximum.
this is good for me, because i can't get into trades.
I think this is a good idea and I don't have a problem hand pricing the items I add that the autopricer doesn't do .
I love the idea it gives other users a chance to own items that are stuck in the trades... thank you subeta Keep up the great work
I agree with LilyValentine and mistyladybug: I'm not so keen on this plan - it has massive deflation written all over it, and it's going to make it still harder to do trades involving items. Oh well.
I hope the autopricer limit doesn't go up. Prices deflate so much more quickly. My items above 250k are pretty much staying at the same price.
I hope this "testing" stops soon. Hates deflation
Ugh. I hate this. =[
I finally get some rare items to sell, and then hey just deflate more and more because now people are saying "oh, this item is worth 2 mil, but I want to get rid of it, so I guess I sell for only 1 =)" And then it just goes down hill from there.
CoughANGLEIC POTION PLUSHIEcough
What did you guys think TRADES were for?
I'm currently waiting for another 'genius' shop limit expansion to 20 million- after all, why use trades if you can stick everything into shops? -__-
I love my autopricer, no matter what its limit. I know that a lot of people are complaining about the fact that the autopricer doesn't go up to a million now...why. Do you really have that many UB's worth 500k to 1 million that its ruffling your feathers that much. Yes you may have 1-100 pages of stuff, but how much of those are items that cannot be priced by the autopricer? It really seems like a trivial thing to be upset about, just my opinion. And if it bothers you just dont put your UB's in there keep using the trades where you have to type your price in anyways.
Were, the problem is the autopricer. Maybe these people are exaggerating a bit, because even if you still have to input the expensive items by hand since the autopricer cannot do it for you, you'd still have a manageable task. But still, the gold account entitles you to use the autopricer, so I'd expect that it gets updated as well. Perhaps it's a really huge job, and the Subeta staff don't want to tinker with it until the testing is over. It would make sense, I'd say.
I see alot of people complaining that they have to go through and price a ton of stuff in their shop now. If you sold these items via the trades, you'd have to price them by hand anyway. So what's the big deal?
I agree with DJ I want the autopricer increased too. It is an enormous task to go through my shop after I have restocked it and hand price items, when I vend I end up with 80+ pages to check through.
I can see how the shop limit is helping the users who aren't able to access their trades to sell their higher items, I'm not complaining about the shop limit or deflation. I'd just like the autopricer to do what I bought it for.
I agree with LilyValentine...
I want the autopricer to price to the highest price like it did when I originally purchased it. If it had only priced up to 25k out of 100k when I got it, I wouldn't have bothered buying it.
DJ - you are still allowed to use the autopricer, and it prices even higher than it did when you purchased your gold account. We increased your benefits.
If you would like to price ALL of your items by hand, and not just 250,000sP+ items, you aren't required to purchase a gold account.
I'm not saying it's a challenge that's going to kill me, I'm saying that I bought a GA so I wouldn't have to hand price ANYTHING. Now the GA is worthless since the only benefit I used it for has practically been done away with.
I am prepared for impressive deflation of some of my rarer items. Sigh. Oh well.
Ive seen on more than one occasion where an item is selling on trades for 100k or so, and the only ones in shop are priced at 500k. When questing, this totally sucks especially if there are no users online. I really REALLY wish it would go back to the 250k range, (especially since thats where the Autopricer limit is).
And I agree with DJ. Why pay for my autopricer abilities if I have to handprice my stuff?
And yes, it is easy to go through and check prices (I DO) but for people who have HUGE shops, 12 pages or more, do you realize what a freaking hassle it is for them ???
Everything had already ridiculously inflated anyways. If people arent buying items at the undercut prices, then they arent going to sell. If your not happy with an undercut price, then buy the items up and resell them at a price you think is fair.
Come hand price my shop after I have vended, lets see how people feel about hand pricing then.
Then enjoy pricing over 50 items by hand. If it's so hard to price that small amount- a task that takes little effort- then imagine how much of a hassle it will be to hand price things on your own
I will not buy it if they raise the autopricer limit, as this will cause an even harsher blow to the economy.
If the autopricer isn't updated by next month, I won't.
Well then, it's simple; Don't buy a GA for next month and price everything- above or below the limit- by hand. If you think your rights as a GA holder are being affected by this, then do not buy more.
I'm paying for a GA so I don't have to do it. If I wanted to handprice my items, I wouldn't have gotten a GA in the first place.
Either way, if it's a 15 point wizard token or a... bloodred telenine elixir, undercutting does happen and the autopricer will have the same effect on either or if the limit is raised. That's the point I was trying to make with the tokens.
It isn't so extraordinarily hard to click a few buttons and type in a few numbers. What do you think everyone without a GA does?
Yes, It's not hard to read the autopricer list as you go down, but it is annoying to hand check everything in the shop search to be able to even price your items. And then if you do hand price your items, don't use autopricer because everything will just go back to 0. And I didn't know we were talking about 10k profits with tokens, I was talking about someone putting something worth 5m in their shop for 1m, and then having even more people undercut that. That's the sort of deflation I was talking about, sorry.
-eye twitch- So many TS items will be deflated. -goes to a corner to cry-
Another thing. I myself have noticed with my autopricer a low price on something so I go check it and I was shocked to find that the autopricer actually priced the item a few thousand points below the other persons. I just click on the no change and hand priced it. I just dont see what the fuss is. Some people cannot use trades, so we either have people complaining about no being able to sell their stuff, so the staff trys to find a way to help until they can get trades and forums working right in all the browsers...and we still complain. Nobody is making you sell your stuff for what the next one is. If you think that your item is seriously going to deflate in price, hold on to it UB's will always be worth money, they may go down but they do come back up.
o_o Wow, huge raise- but awesome. =O