Cursed Quests are now Duality Quests

September 22, 2023, 8:39 pm by

I'm going to go ahead and close the comments here. There's a new news post with more context about this change! Thank you, for your input.

September 22, 2023, 8:32 pm by

This is prety neat but, 2 things The Description for the Starlight Spirit from their quest shop has a typo/weird phrasing. And secondly, i'm kinda sad how this means that Maleria now no longer technically has a daughter, likethey didn't get to interact in any plot but i feel a tad sad about that plotpoint now being gone for good, specially since it could have been used to show a more sympathetic side of Maleria.

September 22, 2023, 8:20 pm by

I am only a little sad these changes didn't come in the form of a plot. Ever since joining subeta, way before we even had actual lore about Mori and Nori, I have harbored hope that there would be some sort of plot around breaking their curse. Removing the curse association, and the name of the quests/achievements is all well and good; but the new adventures of Mono finding relics across subeta and piecing together a statue to create Mori and Nori would have made for a great plot! And I'm sad to see this opportunity missed. :(

September 22, 2023, 8:01 pm by

I deeply regret procrastinating on doing quests. At least I get to double dip on the blue building quests? 😭

September 22, 2023, 7:35 pm by

oopsies i pinged wrong sorry i thought it was an l

September 22, 2023, 7:34 pm by

if i'm understanding correctly, it is (and has been) a more divine type of multiple souls inhabiting one vessel rather than straight DID. because of her backstory being overtly negative it lead to a lot of DID-offensive-adjacent terms being used around the site. i don't think anyone believes mori/nori is a representation of DID, just that it is very adjacent, enough so that the way their backstory was handled was harmful to some. the forum discusses this pretty in-depth if you're interested in seeing others' viewpoints on this as well

September 22, 2023, 7:19 pm by

uhh I have DID and being like 'oh this girl being cursed isnt PC anymore, now she has DID' seems like....the opposite of progressive ;/

September 22, 2023, 7:06 pm by

Yep, . The subetapedia article about this is updated along with the quick facts you find on the list of quest-givers. Mori might be interested in cursed antiques but there's no curse on her.

September 22, 2023, 7:04 pm by

Oh, I see, their lore was changed as well then. Thanks.

September 22, 2023, 7:04 pm by

Please lock the comments, we are getting tired...

September 22, 2023, 7:03 pm by

There is no longer a curse involved in the lore, .

September 22, 2023, 6:59 pm by

I understand why the achievements were changed, but the word "cursed" being removed is kinda... okay, but why? They can still have 2 personalities and be the target of a curse, it's not like the fantasy of Subeta (talking bears, magic, even the pets) is present in the real world. Still, it doesn't really affect me in any way, so it's not like I'm against it.

September 22, 2023, 6:51 pm by

It's an unfortunate problem we have, , where a lot of us on staff are very bad at doing things piece by piece (tea house anyone?). I'm giving y'all full permission to ping me relentlessly to fix things like this piece by piece in the future until it gets done.

September 22, 2023, 6:49 pm by

to doffuse some of the tension here.... wheres my creative royalties amber 😤😤😤 anyway thanks for the change

September 22, 2023, 6:47 pm by

i do appreciate y'all have changed so much. but to many users they wanted the one main thing changed (achievement name) and then the rest could come later. after 1.5 years it just began to feel....well, it began to feel silly. all very in the dark & not listened to.

thank you for taking the time today to listen and discuss in the comments. thank you for trying to own up to any mistakes & be accountable. i know you're just another human behind the screen, and i appreciate the efforts you guys on staff are making. i am glad these changes have happened! i appreciate anything to make subeta more inclusive, especially for something so close to me personally. i was just saying i can understand why so many are frustrated still.

September 22, 2023, 6:30 pm by

For those reading comments that seem to be missing context: I deleted quite a few comments regarding misinformation about Dissociative identity disorder (DID). I thought it was originally good to keep the conversation (though putting a stop to it) so people could see the original problem and the correction by a user who is much more knowledgeable about it then me. That wasn't the best way to handle things, as some people might not read all the comments and would miss the corrections.

There will be an edit to the news post soon from a user who has stood up for self and can explain why the change to the quest and overall lore was important. It shouldn't be on the shoulders of someone with a disorder to constantly explain why something is harmful, but I'm glad this user stepped up.

I am keeping up my original posts and the posts from other users pointing out just how badly this was handled so maybe someone can learn from my mistakes!

September 22, 2023, 6:30 pm by

Thank you for your sensitivity. ❤

September 22, 2023, 6:27 pm by

There is controversy among even medical professionals regarding the diagnosis and presentation of D.I.D. that I think it would be fair to cut staff some slack. Staff has listened to user feedback and are trying to be more sensitive to user concerns.

September 22, 2023, 6:23 pm by

That's very PR, and still entirely misses the the mark. I disagree and I would prefer not to be pinged again unless I'm receiving authoritative action. thanks.

September 22, 2023, 6:22 pm by

Excellent! I'll delete all the posts related to that now then and as soon as you have something I'll edit the news post with it. Do you want your username included with the quote?

September 22, 2023, 6:22 pm by

Cool, can we get rid of the racist items next, or..? Or the description of an item that calls someone a "sissy" if they're a male person who wears it?

No, just this? K.

September 22, 2023, 6:21 pm by

just quickly i am 100% willing to help, im at work and will draft when im home in ~30 minutes.

September 22, 2023, 6:19 pm by

There were a lot of very icky descriptions elsewhere on the site and in the subetapedia that the users on that thread pointed out (which I'm grateful for). It wasn't just that achievement title that, as pointed out, gross. We needed to change everything, not just one or two things. I'm sure I still missed a description somewhere and will gladly change it if someone points it out to me! While we on staff never forgot about it and did debate how to handle the change in lore back and fourth, we should've prioritized it more and I'm sorry about that. I really am thankful for the users on that thread that gave suggestions on how to rework things to be less harmful.

September 22, 2023, 6:17 pm by

feral is right and you're overlooking their message in favor of saying you did a big change when over 2 years and multiple pages people have explained the most harmful language that we wanted changed immediately and you did not address the rest of their comment at all, staff has been hiding behind the "big change" shield for literal years and no apology for something painfully drawn out. said it in the forum but you have been addressing one point specifivally instead of the other 10 people have brought up. I'm at work so I'll respond to your question in a bit but the short answer is delete posts that are harmful...?

September 22, 2023, 6:15 pm by

I am in no way comfortable with editing the news post to describe the actual reason why the quests as cursed with good/evil was harmful for DID only because my knowledge on it is limited. Would you be willing to write a few sentences describing DID and why it was harmful the way quests were set up before? I'd be up for quoting that in the news post so people see that and then delete the conversation earlier with you and Truffula. It will also prevent you from having to keep explaining things (and follows along with your comment of people might not read a few comments down and might miss your post).

September 22, 2023, 6:14 pm by

You know exactly what I'm talking about and which two words I mean. It took you guys over a year and a half to change the ACTUAL problem, because you guys were too focused on character lore and not people who actually needed your respect :)

September 22, 2023, 6:13 pm by

unfortunately i think really hit the nail on the head here :/ like i said, i am glad for the change but it has been handled poorly during the whole process (especially if you read & kept up w the forum posts like i did). they did change more than 2 words, but i really wish there had been a lot more transparency & idk grace/compassion involved. especially when you consider the main thing ppl were asking for was just to change the achievement name & nothing else. again, thank you for actually making these changes but i can very much understand the frustration

September 22, 2023, 6:12 pm by

I already updated a lot of those items, if they are still showing as old in the shop it might be cache.

It's not just two words that were changed.

How would you suggest that change, then? I saw it as letting your discussion be undeleted because you pointed out the misinformation so just deleting that would ruin the context of your post. And detailing anything related to that would just keep people thinking the same thing they might already think about DID. The burden shouldn't be on you to have to repeat yourself multiple times, I was honestly trying to prevent that.

September 22, 2023, 6:07 pm by

I am just... incredibly disappointed with staff and how they've handled all this.

It took over a year and a half to fix two words. Literally the least amount of effort on a public apology; because this is absolutely not one. And here we are in the comments with staff continuing to refuse to listen to users with DID to continue to allow harmful content.

What the hell is going on with Subeta??

September 22, 2023, 5:53 pm by

FWIW some of the items those quests still give out need to be updated. I got a "Cursed Doll", and "Cursed Wings", among other things.

September 22, 2023, 5:53 pm by

the problem is is people are going to read 5 comments down, see misinformation that goes alongside an implication that i was being insensitive, not go to the forum (where this convo would be MORE out of context), and draw their own harmful and incorrect opinions. i explained why the info was not only outdated semantics but why it was HARMFUL and yet those comments stay up. why do people with DID have to jump through hoops on here to get people to understand and accept that certain things are bad and do effect us .

September 22, 2023, 5:36 pm by

And they have! The conversation that has already happened here in the comments will stay, which has pointed out the misinformation. The link wasn't added to the post until later (you can actually see where I comment about adding it).

Explaining why the change to the quests happened is important, that's not what I'm saying is off topic. What I'm saying is going into a debate between two different mental health issues because that's not what this change is about. has corrected that misinformation regarding that, too. There's no need to continue to drag out an already off-topic conversation out. I was hoping with the first correction from things would move on but they didn't (you can never really predict how comments will go).

September 22, 2023, 5:28 pm by

Amber I appreciate your very diplomatic response but I think there is concern whether or not people will actually access the conversation that was already had on that thread. You can see from the comments below that many people are choosing not to read that thread and commenting here confused about why this change was made even though you were thoughtful enough to link it on the post. I think fun just wants to have their voice actually heard as part of a conversation that was already taking place in these comments and I think that that is valid.

I can understand why fun would want to clarify when they were borderline accused of being insensitive to others with schizophrenia or other disorders.

September 22, 2023, 5:15 pm by

As I said in my post, it was going off topic debating what fits under one disorder from another. This post is about the quest being changed with, like you even suggested, the forum thread as to why it was harmful and needed to be changed. You've explained beautifully in your comments here already correcting misinformation and it's exactly why any past comments won't be deleted! It's the continuation of debating the topic (or rehashing the same thing in new words). I'm all for you sticking up for your community and I appreciate what you've said here! I have no plans on closing that forum topic, you are more than welcome to continue posting on there to explain why this was important to you to have changed.

September 22, 2023, 5:04 pm by

it IS relevant there ARE people asking about it and im one vocal person in a random comments section willing to help and educate people. there are so many users that deserve to have someone fighting for them but if we can't correct misleading information and allow the misleading comments to be kept up what are we supposed to do?

September 22, 2023, 5:00 pm by

spreading misleading misinformation on newsposts related to conditions people actually experience needs to be allowed to be corrected or deleted i cannot in good conscience leave misinformation about my own disorder be let alone

September 22, 2023, 4:49 pm by

glad this change has finally been pushed. i was recently diagnosed w DID a few months ago & it's been a very....difficult time coming to terms w it & explaining to ppl i know about it bc of stereotypes like split personality being so prevalent. so it is nice to see that y'all are being sensitive to our issues, even if it did take a very long time.

September 22, 2023, 4:36 pm by

Also there's a link to a thread fully explaining and discussing in the post, but a quick version of it is that previously Mono Ri's presentation (and particularly the previous achievement names) was really disrespectful to folks with DID and it was upsetting to users who have it

September 22, 2023, 4:27 pm by

The shopaholic in me can't wait.

September 22, 2023, 4:27 pm by

Looks great! I'm glad we finally got this squared away with. Thanks guys :)

September 22, 2023, 4:26 pm by

At some point, , maybe! Tomorrow the Seasonal quest shop will be getting some new items. ;)

September 22, 2023, 4:25 pm by

Are we getting new quest shop items?

September 22, 2023, 4:25 pm by

I think we've gotten a little off topic here. While I find the history of mental health fascinating, this isn't the place to debate what does and doesn't fit under a particular umbrella. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge, . I've linked the thread about why the quest needed to change in the news post and encourage everyone who is curious about the change to read through it to better understand.

September 22, 2023, 4:18 pm by

oh I love this change! didn't need to read the post to understand why but after reading over the comments & feedback I love it even more. thank you guys for continuously listening to feedback and updating the site accordingly!

September 22, 2023, 4:16 pm by

For their updated lore you can read the subetapedia article. The way we used before, with a lot of good/evil and 'cursed' was disrespectful and harmful.

September 22, 2023, 4:08 pm by

hi! you can click the link in the post to read about why it was so important to make this change.

Thank you for this update!

September 22, 2023, 4:07 pm by

can anyone give a QRD on why it was an issue or

September 22, 2023, 4:05 pm by

Happy to see this change go through!

September 22, 2023, 4:02 pm by

Don't see what was wrong with the Cursed name but doesn't change my world so

September 22, 2023, 4:00 pm by

..Oh, thanks! I always thought they were more like different entities cursed to share the same body. Tbh I prefer my old understanding more since I like curse/magic/possession themes, but yeah "duality" fits the dissociative disorder concept better.

...Guess I'll just make my own cursed 2 souls in 1 body OC then lol

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