Proposed Montre Revamp!

October 21, 2015, 8:33 am by

The details on the new one are great. ^^ I still voted for the old one as I like the head more. It looks more elgant and the head as well as the ears look.. thinner, which gave the old one a more fox-like look.

October 21, 2015, 8:23 am by

Love the design overall. It's one of my favorite species. I would like to see the head either more fox-like or more coyote-like. When I envision them, I go back and forth between those to body types in my head. I agree with others that the muzzle should be more pronounced and canidae-like. Minus the pickiness of the anatomical structures (head, legs), I do like the redraw and can't wait to see the final result.

October 21, 2015, 7:43 am by

This is the first time I've liked a design the way it is better than the revamp. The old one has a little more movement to it, the new one looks strangely static and uncomfortably posed.

October 21, 2015, 7:30 am by

I think the main thing that is bothering me is that the face/head looks a little off, particularly the muzzle and the eye that is farthest away. I think if maybe it was more pointed it may look better?

Love the legs and wings though! Just the face needs a bit of tweaking!

October 21, 2015, 7:19 am by

no problem, felt it would be sad if such a nice post went to waste ;)

October 21, 2015, 6:57 am by

Whoops, I can't read, apparently! Thanks for the nudge.

October 21, 2015, 6:55 am by

I think yous should post the critique on the forum so they see it :)

October 21, 2015, 6:51 am by

I think the art is certainly an improvement, but it could use some tweaking:

The silhouette of the skull moves in a smooth line from forehead to snout and the nose is positioned very low in a way that is really reminiscent of a Bull Terrier - which seems a weird change from a pet that had a strong fox vibe before, and a weird choice for a sad, soulful pet. The ears are pointing in two different directions, which I know is possible for a lot of animals, but seems an odd choice for a 'resting' pose. I think we should be able to see some of the ear fluff on the far ear. I dislike the scruffy fur on the head being moulded into a more obviously cartoony 'quiff'. The pose is very upright, with its chest puffed out and all the paws point neatly forward; I preferred the old one's more characterful sad, stoop-shouldered, splay-footed pose.

On the other hand: The wings look great

October 21, 2015, 6:26 am by

The only thing I personally dislike about the new proposed version is that the montre now looks right at you. I like that the other one is looking elsewhere, but that's a minor problem - one I can live with if need be.

October 21, 2015, 6:03 am by

Okay, stoic wasn't the right word because, actually, that "attitude" is what makes the Montre. Still, something about the expression just feels off.

October 21, 2015, 5:59 am by

Could you perhaps add some whiskers? For me the snout doesn't really have enough definition. Also, I'm not keen on the dark lines that differentiate each toe on the paws. They look too plastic. Lastly I do not like the colour scheme of the brown body with grey wings and tail. If you are proposing a revamp, can you not also look at the colour scheme? Sorry to others if you love the combination of colours.

October 21, 2015, 5:59 am by

Not a fan. Too stiff, and it just seems so...stoic.

October 21, 2015, 5:41 am by

As I was scrolling down, I thought to myself, "oh, someone's custom pet must have won the pet spotlight."

Something about this doesn't match Subeta's style. I can't pinpoint what it is, but it seems really off. The face, for sure, but I think enough people have pointed that out already. It also seems to have lost a lot of personality.

October 21, 2015, 5:25 am by

I think this looks an awful lot better, well done Lindsey :D

October 21, 2015, 4:47 am by

I love this revamp. It's really pretty and I would love to own one :)

October 21, 2015, 4:30 am by

Don't like it. The art of the old one is rather out-dated (being older and all), but still looks more appealing to me.

October 21, 2015, 4:17 am by

Not gonna lie, I like the pose/face of the old design more- it gives the Montre a more sly, almost sneaky look which is pretty nice. The new one is too upright, and just something about the entire muzzle + cheeks are off. The sharper face of the old Montre with the smaller ears is much more pleasing to look at.

October 21, 2015, 3:28 am by

I think it's perfect, honestly.

The face and ears could be tweaked but the body, legs, tail, and everything else is amazing. Nice job as always! :3

October 21, 2015, 3:27 am by

Also, I've noticed that the current artist seems to draw all her montres with a bobble head effect. All her heads seem to be floating over the body rather than connected to it. It's understandable that the storm's head has sort of that effect, due to where it is, but all the montres that came out recently have that same detached head look, even when they probably shouldn't.

October 21, 2015, 3:24 am by

Gonna have to agree with everyone on the face/legs being weird, but I also find the ears odd looking, too. Like, the far ear looks rather flat and disconnected as well, and the closer one looks like it's a bit too far back on the skull. That little tuft of fur on the top of the head is going to forever bother me. I like how much smaller it used to be than the kumos' emo bangs. I'd much prefer a shorter fluff on the top of the head, akin to the spectrum/current common pose's 'haircut'.

October 21, 2015, 3:04 am by

Its a much needed revamp and a very big improvement! But still something I don't know what but SOMETHING seems of to me. I think it's in the head/face. Overall its great though!

October 21, 2015, 2:04 am by

looks like the hydrus Montre already

October 21, 2015, 2:01 am by

I don't want to be mean but...

In all seriousness, come on artist! You've proven you can do much better than this.

October 21, 2015, 1:43 am by

I....thought it was a chibi montre at first. Not a huge fan of the head/face. Something's off, but I'm not sure what exactly sure what it is. All in all, its a good start!

October 21, 2015, 1:39 am by

not a fan, but i will try to touch on this tomorrow after errands if this crappy laptop will allow me to do a redline (or several, i can dream)

October 21, 2015, 1:27 am by

A think I should apologise to the artist for this, but honestly? Our kneejerk reaction to seeing that image on the news page was roughly "what the flip is that, some kind of horrifying alteration of the poor chibi montre??" And... well. It just. It is still horrifying to us? It's just so. Ugly. To us. The pose seems so weirdly stiff, like an attempt at being regal that just isn't working. The head-neck-body connection seems off. Compared to the current montre's more secretive pose the old one has a pose that seems relaxed, but it's also one that seems to us like it could take off at any moment (fitting with the montre's Subetapedia article about their evasive and mysterious nature.)

And the head. The wing and shading might earn it points, but. That head just takes so many points away. A`_A I spent ages looking at coyote skulls and heads when we make Sophos- our own montre- her overlay, and that potential update... Where's its stop? ("the angle between the forehead and muzzle of a dog or cat") It's like a weird bullterrier? Backfire's got some good edits there, lowering the head more into the old pose, and giving its head a stop.

The eyes, too. The proposed update has eyes that have an expression like... an uncaring dismissal, while the current montre's eyes seem keen and focused (is it in the eyebrows, maybe? Or maybe because of the previously mentioned lack of stop/head shape?)

October 21, 2015, 1:26 am by

I like the new body shape but dont like the wings or face. I much prefer the old sleeker wings. A well groomed animal isnt gonna have ruffled feathers. As for the face a few things. The ears are slightly too wide, the slashes over the eyes arent supposed to curve inward and the expression annoys me. Half the reason I have a montre is the expression of "what makes you think I want my picture taken." The new expression more screams teen angst instead of annoyance.

But again the rest of the body looks way better in the new style. Just not the face and wings.

October 21, 2015, 1:21 am by

It looks like a bull terrier, and the ears hardly look like they were redrawn at all. The rest of it? Love. That head though looks like it was done last and was very, very rushed. Isn't the montre supposed to be vulpine?

October 21, 2015, 1:18 am by

The face is very awkwardly shaped. The ears seem tacked on, the snout too cone-like (difficult to imagine a skull in that shape), its nose is basically vanishing at the end of it. The eyes also don't seem to be even? The one facing us is so much higher, the tilt of the head doesn't match up. The wing looks nice, the hindquarters, too. But the front leg seems massive and the shoulder juts REALLY far back... and overall, it just looks so stiff. I would be pretty disappointed if this went live as is.

October 21, 2015, 1:13 am by

Well... That's the one news post I absolutely didn't expect. I'm a bit eh on the new one, the head/neck throw me off. I can't figure out why I don't like it though. It got a bit a stiff look overall :(

October 21, 2015, 1:11 am by

Fix the face and then it will be complete

October 21, 2015, 1:08 am by

I love it. The end.

This Montre would be on the short list of pets I would consider adopting.

October 21, 2015, 1:05 am by

As someone who has a montra, and actually switched pet colors after one of the color revamps because I didn't like it.. I actually like this, the body looks much more anotomically correct.. the only thing I don't like is the head/face. :C I'm not sure why but it looks off to me.

October 21, 2015, 1:01 am by

In my mind, a vote for the revamped version says "if this went live today I would be 100% satisfied with it."

October 21, 2015, 12:59 am by

The new art is much better. Is it just me, or is it giving me the evil eye...

October 21, 2015, 12:58 am by

Quote by Artist

I want to cast my vote to the new one because it&;s a huge and obvious improvement, but it&;s still not quite right... you know?
But if I had to choose between the new and old I&;d go with the new... but that doesn&;t mean I want the new one the way it is right now...? u feel me

That's exactly how I feel, and why I vote for the old version in these situations. I'm not saying "nooo don't revamp it the new version is ugly," because it clearly isn't, and we all know it needs the revamp. It's more like "the revamp isn't quite there yet, so let's hold off until it can be improved."

October 21, 2015, 12:58 am by

YES!!! THANK YOU! Now Im going to have to get another pet slot with my LB in January. I always loved Montres but I never got one because the art was outdated and I didnt like the wings too much. but these are just amazing. I cant wait to see the the other colored revamps. AND PLEASE MAKE A NUCLEAR MONTRE! But I agree with the other posts about the snout looking weird. It should be more narrow, but Im not complaining.

October 21, 2015, 12:52 am by

while a vast improvement there's some wonky anatomy going on but ppl have already pointed out exactly what I was thinking about it tbh so I'll just second them and those examples given rather than repeating everything tbh

October 21, 2015, 12:51 am by

I want to cast my vote to the new one because it's a huge and obvious improvement, but it's still not quite right... you know? But if I had to choose between the new and old I'd go with the new... but that doesn't mean I want the new one the way it is right now...? u feel me

on a more serious note, I don't have much knowledge to give about the anatomy but the snout feels a bit too straight, some edits down here have my total support

October 21, 2015, 12:47 am by

The shading on the legs looks kinda strange. Like...you've got all this streaky shading on the back part of the hindquarter and then all this mostly flat color near the knee area and it looks odd to me
The legs look weird like the montre is slightly squatting to take a crap, or about to pitch forward or something. I think the leg angles are kinda off.
I don't like the head that much - it's all round/long now. Everything is just too rounded on this one I think, whereas the old montre has more angles which I think works better. I also prefer the cheek fluff on the old montre, too. It's more wispish and less round-chunky. I like the faces on the storm and bloodred montres, and think this one should lean more towards those kind of faces instead.
The wings are amazingly better

October 21, 2015, 12:44 am by

the art looks better obviously, but what has been bothering me about the majority of latest pet revamps is that the poses all seem to look stiffer than the original ones. even though the old montre was siting almost exactly in the same pose, it still looked lively due to its back being slightly arched, head tilting down, tail end raised high up, and front legs being very straight which made it look like the montre was leaning its body weight on them. it was a dynamic pose. this one looks timid and a bit bleak in comparison. i'd also like the head to be more angular in its shape but that's more of a stylistic preference. otherwise the art is good and is definitely an improvement. thank you for giving this pet some attention! the montre needed it badly.

October 21, 2015, 12:44 am by

if I could give you a million hearts I would. Your suggestion is STELLAR!!!!!

October 21, 2015, 12:43 am by

I like the track that you're on...if you shortened the nose wome while adding that dip, you may be onto something. Thinning the legs and paws up would help some too.

October 21, 2015, 12:42 am by

The anatomy is off a little bit. I feel like if you brought that one leg down a bit more it'd help an awful lot with the position. Concerning the head; it looks a bit too large to me, personally. The eyes don't line up correctly and the whole muzzle structure looks a bit too low. I feel like the neck's structure is also a bit awkward / doesn't define the shoulder as well as it could. The backleg's actually missing part of the anatomy entirely (just having the knee go to the ankle indirectly is incorrect). And ultimately, the tail would be positioned a little differently. Since this is probably confusing as to what I mean specifically, I've made a redline.

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Overall though the shading is vastly improved and I really love the way the wings are done especially!

October 21, 2015, 12:41 am by

AND I FORGOT TO MENTION I moved the head forward a bit a altered the nose slightly. I need to pay more attention to what I'm posting :x

October 21, 2015, 12:40 am by

I posted this in the feedback thread but I'm gonna put it here to to see what people think, don't mind me returns to trash pile from whence I came

October 21, 2015, 12:39 am by

While I absolutely love the new Montre and its obvious fixes to the original anatomy, there's one part that really bothers me. And that's the distinct lack of a nose bridge.

First of all, I love the edited pose, I love the shading. I also love how fluffy the wings are. But the glaring issue of the nose bridge really distracts from the entire composition as a whole. It's like a grammatical error in the middle of a paragraph in a book; it SERIOUSLY distracts from the narrative and people can't help but look back at that mistake and think "How could the editors miss this?".

Taking Subeta's other loveable canine pet, the Kumos as an example, it obviously has a nose bridge where the skull dips down:

Because that's what canidae skulls do: (skull from skullsite.co.uk)

Honestly, it's just a small edit that would make a whole lot of difference! Here's a botched edit because I'm tired and I really need to shower and go to bed, lol.

October 21, 2015, 12:39 am by

With the way the new Montres head is slanted, it reminds me of a bull terrier face. It also looks weird in a way I can't describe, but it's not the worst thing in the world, just something that could be touched up to look less angular given the montre is more foxy over dog/wolfy.

Otherwise the new montre is very pretty! Shading, wings, the pose! All gorgeous.

Thanks for the poll Rah.

You are... Rahmazing?

Ahaha.

October 21, 2015, 12:37 am by

; DUDE that's exactly how it looks like, like those puppies that accidentally swallow a bee haha!

October 21, 2015, 12:37 am by

I also agree with others here that it's a very stiff pose.

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