Community Guidelines

June 1, 2015, 11:43 pm by

Also, yeah, you're allowed to not like things.

However, when you go and post "THIS SUCKS." and when you're asked why it sucks, and the only thing you can say is "IT'S MY OPINION I CAN SAY IT SUCKS", there isn't much worthwhile to read in your comment. The rest of the community learned that you don't like a thing. You. One of Subeta's 131 000 users do not like a thing. That's not changing our lives, and that contributes absolutely nothing to the community.

But, when you do not like a thing, and you go and explain politely why you don't like the thing, we actually have something to go and read. Something that is usually worthwhile, and even if we disagree, we're learning something about each other. As long as things are polite and that you're able to express yourself, either in the comments, or in the forums, we both gain something. Sometimes, we butt heads and disagree, but we're getting to know each other.

June 1, 2015, 11:42 pm by

Happy Birthday, Keith, although I might be a bit late! cheer

I don't see why anyone should have trouble with these guidelines. They're all about just plain civility. I'm not fond of Shinwa's makeover either (and it's the general appearance, not the "chubby" factor, since all sizes are beautiful to me,) but I do think a lot of those remarks were way out of line. Seems common sense to me to not make a vicious dick out of yourself in a social setting.

June 1, 2015, 11:41 pm by

Depends on the person. Personally I go back and forth, sometimes I get to that point where I cuss like a sailor in general conversation and then I wind up having to make a point to stop myself. Right now is actually one of those times where I'm trying to retrain myself to not cuss so much.

Haha, understandable~

June 1, 2015, 11:31 pm by

- He said it was disorderly conduct. I should have stuck with Dutch.lol When speaking casually though one doesn't tend to curse a lot so I really believe it will be ok. :) For me the biggest issue I face on here is not cursing or being rude but remembering not to type a Dutch word or two. I seem to always want to use them.

June 1, 2015, 11:30 pm by

I'm glad that people won't be able to spew their hatred on the news anymore.

Stop whining, you silly pitahaya

June 1, 2015, 11:25 pm by

No, you're right, but when it gets to the point where you're afraid of speaking casually, where you practically can't say a word unless you coddle everyone around you, then I think that's too much. As for the store owner calling the cops on you for cursing, just... seriously? o_o That seems really over-the-top to me, but I guess some people are like that.

June 1, 2015, 11:19 pm by

That works too! :3

June 1, 2015, 11:10 pm by

I thought your emote was patting the other on the head

/patpat

June 1, 2015, 11:03 pm by

Even on pay to play sites people have the right to be treated with respect. And as far as curse words go I am not from the US but I was visiting in the US. I was in Texas I used the F word in front of the owner of a business. She called the cops and he came and told me he could have taken me to jail for that.

June 1, 2015, 10:42 pm by

I think that "religion" and "lack there of" should be included with the "Don't be that guy" part. As a person of faith, I feel terrified to post anything around Subeta. I have for years because of the sheer amount of negativity and hatred I've felt directed at people of faith.

June 1, 2015, 10:11 pm by

Has anyone else noticed that both on this post and on the Shinwa revamp post, there are more people calling out the negative posts then there are actually negative posts? It's funny because it gets to that point where the ones calling it out are only perpetuating the negativity.

Well, actually this news post itself probably answers that question for me. Personally I think the rules are somewhat vague, and I myself have said some things that could apparently be seen as rude or hateful due to their slightly more forceful nature, but for now I think I'm fairly happy with this implementation. I would like to know exactly where "a little harsh" turns into "breaking the rules" though. I know another site that wouldn't even tolerate that much, heck they'd ban people for using a curse word despite it being a pay-to-play site. The community there was suffocating, the people were so fake it wasn't funny. I wound up rage quitting. I'm sure Subeta would never go that far, though.

June 1, 2015, 10:04 pm by

Read terms. Agreed to terms. Try to be kind and respectful. Don't see a problem with this. Have a nice day and happy birthday Keith.

June 1, 2015, 9:52 pm by

We call each other that all the time too hahaha. And yeah, like said, I don't think to us it comes across as personally attacking, but who knows from an outsider's perspective. That worries some of us haha.

June 1, 2015, 9:44 pm by

, if someone reports you for calling your friend a bitch in jest, they would probably also speak to your friend! So unless your friend felt honestly bullied or harassed by what you said, I think you're safe! I call my friends assbutts all the time, and I will continue to do so ;)

June 1, 2015, 9:44 pm by

I love the site and I try to help any new member, like everyone helped me when I first started! Thank you Staff for all the fun I have had here!

June 1, 2015, 9:43 pm by

I imagine something like this could be handled case by case through tickets? I don't think friendly teasing ever gets to the point where it would be that bad though... When's the last time I pretended to personally attack you? :p

June 1, 2015, 9:37 pm by

I am one of the oldies here and honestly. Before the reset and after for a good while these rules were used on Subeta and we knew that. It is just as easy to be nice as it is to be mean. The golden rule should be practiced by all. No one should ever speak in a rude manner.

Also when one dislikes art, why can't we just give constructive criticism. I am guilty of being unkind before and I am so ashamed of that behavior now, because artists have feelings too.

I remember once I was mad about the 1st Fester revamp and it was because I was friends with the artist who drew the original Fester. Then I found out I hurt the new artist's feelings. That made me sad to know I hurt someone's feelings.

People's feelings matter.

June 1, 2015, 9:35 pm by

One quick question though - how do you handle outside people not understanding that people are seriously just joking around with their friends, because we call each other names and say things other users might think we were being serious about but we're honestly not and we know our lines with one another and don't ever go beyond.

What's to stop anyone from seeing a comment, taking it out of our own group context, and reporting it and us losing our account over something that wasn't in any way serious?

June 1, 2015, 9:15 pm by

I like this. Thank you. I stay pretty much only in one forum group (you know who you are Bears!) and this is because I've seen too much negative elsewhere. I am happy to see this!

June 1, 2015, 9:04 pm by

Shinwa's revamp + this:

An honest opinion? I love this site for actually caring about the users' welfare. So thanks for this, really. It isn't hard to follow. At all.

Also happy birthday. Hope you had a good cake.

June 1, 2015, 8:59 pm by

...my high five emote is missing an arm. The site's ways are mysterious.

June 1, 2015, 8:56 pm by

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June 1, 2015, 8:56 pm by

Good idea Late reply, but I agree (to disagree)

June 1, 2015, 8:55 pm by

So many negative comments on how Subeta is trying to create rules to stop the negativity.

I do hope the new rules create a slightly more positive atmosphere. :)

June 1, 2015, 8:52 pm by

/awkwardly throws gang signs at u

June 1, 2015, 8:49 pm by

I am excited for the dawning of a new eraâ€¦ a time where two or three people can voice their dislike of site art, and not be confronted afterwards by fifteen people saying "I DISAGREE WITH YOUR DISAGREEMENT." That will be a beautiful day. Seriously, guys. If you need to start a respectful debate with someone else's opinion, then please, everyone else after just like that one user's post. -_- You're already in the majority. Your views will be heard without you making a stink.

June 1, 2015, 8:48 pm by

About time, bad manners was put it in it place. If i have one comment that would be, that other players. Really dont want the grammar and spell checker police on their backs. I know, it really bugs some people that others do this. But can we just let things go in this aspect. Lets have fun and be the subeta community of fun, friendship, acceptance and no judgmental issues. Have an issue address it to the staff, not the subeta community. Lets have calm discussions and learn about each others lives and cultures, since we have people from all over the world.

June 1, 2015, 8:47 pm by

Oh hey del posted while I was posting and her post is good.

June 1, 2015, 8:46 pm by

I love y'all most for the fact that the guidelines include what "freedom of speech" actually IS. So many people have no idea at all, and it drives me batty.

June 1, 2015, 8:46 pm by

and anyone else who's curious:

Here's a pretty cut and dried break-down of the 1st Amendment. The bulk of it protects US citizens from the following:

-Freedom of expression and religion without govt interference (explicitly Congress) -Due Process as explained in the 14th amendment is also protected from govt interference -Disallowing the govt to establish an official religion or having preference of one over the other -Disallowing the govt to interfere with your religious practices -Freedom of expression in publication and dissemination without govt interference -The right to gather and protest in peaceful and lawful demonstration without govt interference -The right to associate with and hold whatever beliefs you prefer without govt interference -Disallowing the govt to require associations to disclose their membership or withhold federal benefits based on that association past or present (assuming the association is not promoting or encouraging illegal activities) -The right to petition the govt for a redress of grievances or relief from a legal wrongdoing through the courts without fear of reprisal from said govt

So I dunno why anyone would say Subeta's quick summation of it is incorrect! That's all of it right there. Additionally, is within his rights to simply shut down anyone on his own terms on the grounds that this website is his private property and we are all playing in his sandbox. If he dictates that you can get bans for being perpetually toxic/unpleasant/unhelpful, you have no legal recourse to protest this. It's his property, he maintains it and pays the bills, so he gets the final say on what does or doesn't fly. So invoking the Constitution in the first place isn't really the way to go and is kind of a moot point. It also neglects the fact we have tons of non-US users here who that wouldn't even apply to and thusly calls for the aforementioned line of thinking outside of crowing FREEDOM OF SPEECH and shooting our guns in the air.

Finally, this is a good idea and people in fear of these changes should maybe take a long shower and think about how they act on this internet site about colourful animals and doll dress-up.

June 1, 2015, 8:39 pm by

People say they breach every guideline daily, even ones like "please don't ruin the fun with a negative attitude when dealing with others! If your only contribution to a discussion is to insult anyone else involved, you don't need to participate in that discussion." so...they literally come to subeta to be insulting. Even though the guidelines seem vague, I very hope they work.

June 1, 2015, 8:35 pm by

The News Comments are read-only until you agree, the forums should be too. Keep the banner to explain, but otherwise it's kind of shitty ("Agree about what you'll post even if you're happy to never ever post!!!") and also cutting people off from a massive means of staff communication.

Once someone has been temp banned they can or cannot be read only, whichever, that's different. But just before the initial agreement they should still be visible imo.

Other than that, good to see these finally official at least, not just floating in the background. I think they can be just fine, just have to wait and see.

June 1, 2015, 8:25 pm by

I like these guidelines. I have always loved things that basically said, "Use common sense and don't be an asshole." It's not hard to stop and think before you hit the send button.

And I also thought the discussion about Shinwa's update got out of hand. It's not hard to be constructive, but apparently it's easier just to say the first thing that comes to mind and be rude. It may be entirely possible that the tone of the message is being misinterpreted, but just taking a minute to read back through what you say will make a word of difference to how your message comes across.

June 1, 2015, 8:23 pm by

I agree with everything I saw on the list. And I especially love the part about "kitten pictures" :) :) :)

June 1, 2015, 8:15 pm by

I like this idea. I have shied away from the forums lately because I have been bullied just for speaking my opinion. I wasn't being offensive, or aiming at anyone, just telling my opinion, and I felt like I was getting attacked. I think it is really awful that some people think its ok to have an opinion and others aren't.

I hope that this helps users to be able to vent their opinions in a more respectful way.

June 1, 2015, 8:15 pm by

Although we've had to agree to the commuity guidelines for awhile, this is a great change. It has been pretty laid-back with people getting away with whatever blunt thing they can do, and its not nice when someone goes around and be able to be excessively harsh. Being constructive is more of a good thing, and it helps to do it correctly. This might help turn things around, cause it gets pretty heated from time to time, and it helps to practice being a good sport and learning to be considerate when its needed.

I know I'm gonna get it, but everyone's opinion counts.

June 1, 2015, 8:15 pm by

I've seen the Shinwa revamp comments, partially why I didn't post what I disliked about her. That was probably the nastiest I've ever seen Subeta get. Usually the site is pretty laid back.

I just felt like I needed clarification. I don't want to get dinged because I'm one of the handful to post "I don't like this for x reason" on a newspost. :|

June 1, 2015, 8:13 pm by

I'm actually really glad to hear that! While I've never had the issue with people hell-bent on ruining my in-game experience (unless they were just really bad at it and I'm unaware), I know it's definitely happened in the past and it was always really sad to hear the major solution was just "block them and tell your friends to block them and hope it goes away" since that typically just means that person targets someone else and people like that don't need to be allowed to behave like that.

I'm glad this is also going to address that as well.

(PS: Even if I didn't like the past pet profiles I'd never wish you to jump off a bridge okay |D) (Also happy birthday HOPE YOU HAD MANY CAKE ❤️!!)

June 1, 2015, 8:09 pm by

just be kind, folks.

June 1, 2015, 8:08 pm by

Basically from this point forward we will be more active in policing these things. If we feel like a comment has gone over the line we will 'hide' it on our end and send the user a note, asking them to please look over the guidelines again. They can make a ticket to get further information (from a UA different than the one that hid the post) at that point if they feel like it was unwarranted.

It's no longer harassment = block that person and hope they stop talking about you, it's that we don't condone it at all and will remove it from the site.

June 1, 2015, 8:01 pm by

I don't think it's so much to have tact when interacting with other people, or at least having tact and composure 95% of the time-- I think it's unreasonable to assume people, who are human beings and as such tend to get worked up over things we're vested in or sore spots, will ALWAYS be on point because everyone has something they just can't even and when someone goes there it's like an instant AWRWGhg moment. I'd like to think that staff, as human beings, are aware of this and if someone fires back at an instigation the situation will be treated as "you started it and they took the bait, you're just as guilty as they are".

I also don't really read any of the COMMUNITY guidelines as something that related to coding or artwork, so I really don't see people getting warnings for saying "Shinwa's revamp looks like a pile of poop" or "oh god the new pet profiles make my cry so hard I can't even whyyyy" because you hurt the artwork or coding's feelings.

However saying the pet profiles or shinwa looks like poop is extremely different than saying "Shinwa's revamp looks like a fat pile of steaming poop that was vomited up by my dog after he ate the entire meat lovers pizza with extra cheese and jalapenos whoever did that shoudl quit" or "The new pet profiles look awful Keith should jump off a bridge because he ruined my pet profiles this site sucks I'm leaving forever". The latter, I would expect to get deleted+ because those are hurtful shitheaded things to say about a person and their work. (Disclaimer: These were examples because Shinwa's revamp has been brought up several times and y'know if anyone recoded pet profiles it'd be Keith-- but I don't mean either statement obviously they're examples).

HOWEVERR-- I am 100% curious about how reporting in general will work as it previously has? Like we've always been encouraged by the UAs to block everyone we're having issues with, but blocking half the site is extremely anti-community because there's no block-half-the-site in community, and you can't really engage with other users if you have most of them blocked.

So, going forward if people say rude things/are being assholes is the course of action still going to be "just block them and act like they don't exist"?

June 1, 2015, 7:58 pm by

*sorry i restated my first sentence >_< sounds silly haha :3 i'm just still waiting on a kudos or montre update honestly... please guys? X3

June 1, 2015, 7:57 pm by

I like these guidelines! :)

June 1, 2015, 7:57 pm by

I think this is more than reasonable, being rude over something is unnecessary. Being constructive is ok, but theres a fine line that we as a whole can respect. We're for the most part adults on this amazing website. They are still saying we can disagree and give feedback but in a respectful manner. I think that's more than simple.

June 1, 2015, 7:54 pm by

I feel these guide lines are moving to a more positive light, once the dust settles and people find out it's not the end of the world. There is a line between 'not liking something' and being 'rude' about it. It's not about sugar coating, and 'can't state my opinion now', 'I've lost my voice.' No you haven't, you can still voice your opinion, like or dislike, as long as you word respectfully. As someone else said, we've always had guide, I don't know where the shock is. TBH I find it more sad that people are upset over having to be respectful now.

June 1, 2015, 7:52 pm by

- People can disagree with someone and state their opinion. People just don't have to be bullied or belittled in the process. Again I am talking in general.

June 1, 2015, 7:50 pm by

so many people upset about not being able to voice their own opinions.. no, that's not true! you can still voice negative optinions - you just have to, y'know, be respectful about it. there's a huge difference in HEY THE PROFILE YOU MADE ME IS BAD YOU SUCK AT THIS versus HEY, THE PROFILE YOU MADE ME HAS A FEW THINGS I'D LIKE CHANGED: INSERT CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISMS HERE or if it's like the debate forum, there's no need for personal attacks and bigotry.

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I think it&;s really easy to disagree with someone without calling them names / personally attacking. I think a lot of the fat shaming in the Shinwa post is a great example of people not being able to walk that line very well.

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The rules are simple, don&;t be an ass to people. You can still have an opinion on everything, just be adult about it and treat people like you want to be treat. Simple.
You can still say: "i don&;t really like this drawing that much. Something is a off for my taste". What you cannot saiy: "yuck, that is so horrible, I hate it so much. Did you actually expect me to like that!?! You suck!" There is a big difference between those!

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There is a fine line between "Your drawing is ugly, seriously. I can&;t pay for it" and "I&;m sorry, it&;s not to my liking. Is it possible to modify or find a common ground?"

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I think some people are confusing the rules in thinking that they are saying you can&;t have negative opinions when I think that the rules are saying that your opinion doesn&;t have to be voiced in a way that is rude and vulgar and hurtful and over the line. Again, I guess I&;m just old-fashioned.

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What about the drawing is awful? THAT is how you can be helpful. By explaining what parts need improvement and what the artist can do to make it better.
I&;m sorry you just refuse to dig deep and try to help an artist and instead choose to be a jerk.</p>
<p>People need to take responsibility for their own emotions and reactions?</p>
<p>How about you take responsibility for your words and accept that maybe it&;s you who needs to change.

or really literally everything is saying

June 1, 2015, 7:48 pm by

You can state that you don't like something, but you shouldn't state it in the most offensive way possible. It's more about jumping down people's throats.

If you need examples, the shinwa revamp news comments are good. Some people state that they are unhappy with the revamp, others are just plain rude about it.

June 1, 2015, 7:42 pm by

Every website has moderation rules-- the fact that Subeta's making them clearer shouldn't be such a shock. Thank you for this. Hopefully it works the way it's intended to.

June 1, 2015, 7:37 pm by

Sigh, seems to me like you guys are saying "If you won't say anything positive, you won't be allowed to say it at all." So if I dislike a revamp or a redrawn character seems off to me, I won't be allowed to say anything?

Or is this more about people jumping down others' throats because they don't agree with the status quo/their opinions?

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