Frankenchokies you seem to like to troll. I am 33 and have 0 credit cards or cell phone and have spent around a hundred or so cash a year on here.. cause it makes me happy beyond what i have earned through free offers or bought with points it seems some are never happy.. if you don't like the site well the door is ------> Me i love this site whether or not i care to use various options
I typed that and then realized most people don't hover. This is the result of 6 in the morning. |D I still feel it's a bit lackluster, but it's nice. c:
It's nice since it doesn't need to be the active pet. I train Demitre so hes usually my active pet (except right now Keel is) but i want to show off Pylot. and now no one needs to hover its just IN YOUR FACE XD
Since hovering over Every user is something I don't see many doing. but if you worked on your pet and want your pet to be nominated show them off that way since its sure to get views. Ive been looking at all the ones I've seen so far to see the effort put into the pets.
As a 24 year old, Frankenchokies, your logic really baffles me...one of my best friends is 29 and I hardly think you 'speak' for most of the 'pre-internet' generation. People will spend their money on what they want and what is important to them. And just because someone is younger doesn't make them less educated or less experienced in the world (I know quiet a few young adults 18-20 that have been through a crap ton more stuff in their lives and are more mature then some of my friends my own age). So stop stereotyping. Really. It's also been a proven fact that generations are getting smarter. If you don't have a higher I.Q. then your parents, by today's standers something is a bit off (I apologize if that means I am calling someone stupid). And as for 'College' most people don't take it seriously, which is a sad but true fact. Not everyone matures at the same rate either.
Other users asked for this sort of feature, let them be happy with it. No one is holding a gun to your head and making you buy or use this feature. If someone works for their SP/$$$ let them spend it the way they wish.
A bit lackluster, since people could just hover over your username and essentially get the same thing. But I'm sure I'll be flaunting Zaire soon enough. xD A bit scared to see how people used that character bit. Clutter. Clutter everywhere. |D
...Disregarding all the drama in here, I quite like it. Might try it out one day if I ever finish a pet, haha. <3
NO U!
shh frankenchokies you are starting to get silly now. ;)
Jenni:
I said age and culture. Not "Everyone under 29 doesn't know how to cherish a dime." Considering it is a fact that everyone under a certain age will have grown up with the internet and furthermore that it is a fact that growing up with the internet creates a whole different culture than NOT growing up with it, then it follows that those under a certain age will be a part of a different culture - an internet culture - than those over a certain age. So for the youngers, it will be quite a normalized idea to spend real money on fake things. That's not the same as saying, "Everyone young wastes their money."
Further, I'm certainly not saying that the younger generation lives on the internet. I use the internet way more than anyone I've ever met who's younger than me. They use Facebook more than I do of course, since I don't use it at all, but as for simple hours-clocked I've got 'em beat by far. And while I'm at it, though it's only vaguely related, I also don't think that the younger generation is more proficient with computers/electronics than the older generation. Maybe the old old generation, like people over 50, but once again I myself am far more knowledgeable about anything relating to computers or electronics than anyone younger than me. (People tend to think that being fast at thumb-typing on a cellphone makes a kid super-proficient with technology, but seriously these kids are freakin' idiots who can't do anything.)
And while I don't believe that all teenagers are hoodlums (hellshit I wish they were but the opposite is true, actually; they're more emotionless and far less angry than they should be), I do believe kids are getting dumber. I mean they were dumb when I was a kid because most everyone's dumb, but holy cow are they dumber than ever! (Maybe not dumber than they were in the middle ages, but I wasn't there so I dunno.) I go to college with people 10 years my junior and they are seriously. Seriously. Stupid. So freaking stupid it's like literal brain damage, but they get by in the world because it's increasingly functionally retarded and illiterate just like they are. The world is breeding them to be stupid, because everything's user-friendly and nothing requires thought. Not even a degree. You pay for it, you don't think for it. Kids = dumb. Not just my opinion, but fact. Several studies have been done to confirm this. I'd look them up and cite them, but my generation's lazy.
(By the way, my sweeping statements aren't as sweeping as they appear. While there are enough kids getting dumber than ever that it's pretty much accurate to say "All kids are dumb now," obviously it's a slight exaggeration. There are exceptions. Subeta in fact, like Gaia, seems to attract some of the more gifted and less stupid kids. Of course they're still emotionally stunted and completely controlled by their government and media and as such incapable of entertaining autonomous thoughts, but they're not stupid in the way that I mentioned earlier... the kind of dumb, bumbling, functional illiteracy.)
Okay honestly what? You are blaming age groups? Just because they are younger doesn't mean they all live on the internet, even ones on here may not be THAT active. I'm 20-sure I have Paypal and online banking, and I may have bought a GA here and there in the four years I've been here, but I don't spend a lot of money on virtual stuff, as I have grown up in a frugal family, it's not about age or internet, it's the person itself. Don't group everyone together, it's like saying all teenagers are hoodlums...
I don't think I'll ever use this. xD
Opps premature send.
No problem tho i didn't really do anything. XD And yea probably wold be more profitable but its just a shame seeing such stretched pet pages. >_< then theres people with evenmore pets then me.
Exactly. I know for me i don't really spoil myself with things like shoes or cloths. Its nice getting to spoil myself on a site i spend countless hours on. If I'm on the computer I'm on subeta so its defiantly money well spent. More well spent then an ice cream cone that will only last a few minutes before its dripping all over me or some other thing XD. Since the $$ i spend helps gt me that much closer to my goals on site.
You can pay for it with SP. You buy the CSC card from another users shop. -^_^- There's also ways to make CSC for free in the forums and in the csc shop itself with the 'earn csc' promotions thing.
Thanks Able & Zombie. Cash Shop would be better altogether, yet I guess, yet they get more reminder/incentive/customers of the feature with having it on the pets page.
Grantedly 1 $ isn't a fortune, nowadays, even though I bend down for much less, if I find a coin in the street, lol, and therefore site would only profit, if it became a widely used feature, which I can't really see happening, judging from most comments here. I certainly won't. Probably wouldn't even, if it was for free - the pet appears in your avatar hoover, I don't have any story for the pets,...
This looks very interesting, but I think it would be better if there was an option to pay with sP for it. I simply stopped buying CSC when $ got extremely expensive in my country.
Condensation doesn't help you win arguments, just saying.
I agree that this is totally a luxury add-on. Just like a GA. And every other Cash Shop item. And all the money made from Cash Shop purchases go towards supporting the site. How is this any different?
You may visit a billion sites a day, but the people who will pay for this feature and other Cash Shop items spend many hours a day on Subeta. These people DO get something measurable out of paying for these luxury add-ons on Subeta--it gives them joy and entertainment. An experience to share with friends on Subeta. What have you. Much like watching a movie in a theater.
The implementation of this feature took time and money. The backbone of the site that made this feature possible (e.g. forums, pets) also cost time and money.
Also, fyi, this feature was first suggested by an user, specifically to be a Cash Shop feature. So it's not like Subeta created this out of thin air to SCAM people, lol.
I mean, I see your point, that to most people, paying real cash for virtual pixels?!! seems like of crazy. But I think we'll have to agree to disagree, because you view this as your hard-earned cash going towards something you don't really care about, while I see this as 2 million Subeta Points for my pet's headshot to display next to my every post for a month (and I use the forums a lot--kind of wishing you had posted on the Site Feedback board!).
Ohh Sweet thanks for the info Able.
And yea text would be a lot less page stretching for people with a lot of pets. or have it be a CSC item like oh la layers so you can just activate it the same way oh la layers works.
Some things: It isn't one click, the image takes you through to another page where you can then add a month. You can change the text below your pet whenevs, as far as I can tell. I also wish the picture-link was a text-link.
*Hoard, oh god oh god typo, I'm hyperventilating. It's because I was thinking of WoW.
Nice feature, but useless for me since I rarely use the forums. If I did avidly use the forums, I'd think about it, but I wouldn't be overly enthusiastic about it disappearing each month.
Seriously my 20 pets have a what looks like never ending page with all the images. ;A;
Not sure if its one click. I may check it out since I may want to let Demitre get some spot light for a little while. If i do ill tell you XD so you know if you need to be extra careful.
I also hate the image/link on the "pets" page for taking up too much space, stretching the overview, 10 pets don't fit on a page, as it was (let alone more for many people). Also I hope it's not a one-click payment, like autotraining used to be in the beginning, so you don't accidentally buy, when you click on a space in the window.
It was the best things I could think of since even if you make your own coffee the beans probably cost 3.50 for a bag and last a month so the item is still cheaper then the morning coffee. tho its all a preference on what people want or can afford really. If someone truly wanted this item I'm sure they could find a dollar or 2 mill sp to spare since people can buy CSC with SP or for free by doing the promotions.
Nobody has to buy it- if you want do it... if you don't want don't do it. I don't spend any real money the last 2 years- I always buy CSCs in Usershop. There are a lot of people with lots of money and less time to make sp- so they sell CSC. Thanks for this.
I know so much people who play WoW. It cost real money, too. Or they have pay TV. It cost real money. A realy realy waste of money? Smoking. Nothing left than an earlier dead. THATS waste of money.
Everybody with sounds, apps or anything else on his handy- isn't that a waste, too?
So you see... there are many ways to wast money. Here you're donating a realy good petside- not some cigarette lobby. No waste for me.
I think it's funny that people are comparing this to the price of, say, a new book or daily coffee because, yeah, I'd love to buy new books and have daily Starbucks, but I'm cheap so I use the library and make my own lousy coffee. :P Needless to say, I won't be buying this feature. Don't get me wrong, it's awesome, but it is prohibitively expensive for me. I'd feel differently if it didn't expire.
As a gamer who drops monthly subscription fees for the games I play, all this rage over payment is baffling to me. That said, I wish this were attached to my gold account so I could spend my CSC on useful things, like twenty more liability wavers to horde and/or give out.
(But I like this feature.)
Frankenchokies -- My mother is twice your age and understands buying items on a website. I don't think it's your age sry2say.
CuDi: For reals? Going to the movies? You're comparing that with buying virtual items on a random website? XD Going to the movies, or an amusement park for that matter, is an experience that you're paying for. One you're going to remember. (Or at least will if you don't go to lame, forgettable movies - which I don't.) I dunno about you friend, but I visit like a billion websites a day, so paying real money for a scarf on my avatar on one of them isn't really memorable to me.
Potter: Monthly gym memberships are different, because of course what you're renting is space that costs a lot of money. (In fact monthly gym memberships specifically are a waste of money because in most cases it's best to just buy what you need rather than "renting" time at the gym, but I see the point you're making so yeah.) Further you're also getting something measurable out of it, be it weight-loss or muscle-gain. In theory anyway, assuming you're doing it right. So yeah, still not throwaway like virtual items.
Back to CuDi but still related to Potter by the way, screening a movie costs money for the theater. They have to pay for the film, the space, the upkeep, the employees. Subeta doesn't have to pay for that scarf-on-the-avatar. They have to pay for server space and artists/programmers, all of which is covered by ads and by Gold Accounts (which I've already said I agree with). This small little pay-for-31-days crap on random items is random and unnecessary. I mean the whole big issue of money-for-virtual-items aside, THIS new expiring thing is a completely random and unnecessary scam.
Of course, what this all boils down to is age and culture. I'm 29, which apparently means I come from a time when money bought things, or at the very least experiences, and you guys are presumably young and seem to have come from a time when the internet was always around and money isn't really real to you, you rarely actually hold it in your hand because you all have credit cards and internet-accessible bank accounts and ways to pay for things with your cellphone, and it's completely NORMAL to you to pay for things that aren't actually there when in fact, I'm sorry to apparently have to be the first to tell you, it's insane. You're all crazy. You all think it's normal but it's not, however the depression we're in is only going to get worse before it gets better and time will prove me right and you wrong once it all falls down around you and you're making $100 a year and Subeta wants $500 a month to keep its servers going because inflation is ridiculous and your corporate overlords have completely enslaved you. BWA HA HA. (No but seriously, I'll be proven right soon. And I can wait.)
Also you damn whipper-snappers need to stay off my lawn.
I like what a big deal this has become.. xD oh such drama we create over every little change. Its a cool idea, I don't think Id invest in it though since I rarely go on the forums. ^^
Frankenchokies If it was part of GA I would hope it would be optional since i know a lot of people who wouldn't like that and a lot of people who would hate how stretched the forums may become.
XD Yay I'm not crazy! Tho yea i buy to suppost. i spend the $$ t then i sell the CSC so others who don't want to use real money don't have to. Plus the SP helps support my avid battling addiction on site. since i don't want to see subeta end up like some OTHER sites I'm sure we all know about.
Pings would be so nice >_< its habit from the forums i keep putting the @
I wonder tho if our coupon codes can be used on these. doubt it as its not in the cash shop but it be nice if you could us it with a coupon code like other non Cash Chop Card and GA purchases. And does anyone know if you can change the words under the pet picture within the month. I would assume so but just want to make sure if anyone knows.
er, but caveat, i don't actually spend real $ on subeta, because i am not financially well off enough to do so. :P
there are real things in the real world that "expire" though. what about services that you pay by the hour? do you think monthly gym memberships are a scam?
I actually see no difference between something that costs CSC vs something that costs, say, tokens. csc and tokens are both available for sp. to me, there's no real difference between paying $5 for csc and spending it immediately versus paying $5 for csc, selling the csc for tokens. csc is just another form of currency on this site. shrug
"Frankly anyone who would pay actual money for something virtual is toeing the line of having no concept of money and worth..."
LOL. So do you ever go to the movies? You get nothing in return but to watch a picture for a couple of hours, then its gone forever, too.
Like this idea. Appropriately priced. Etc etc.
Zombie:
Paying for virtual things I don't understand, but wanting to support a site you enjoy I DO understand. Were I rich, I might throw some money Subeta's way just because I like the site, but yeah... simply BUYING virtual items just baffles me. So okay, you're not completely crazy. ;)
I wish pings worked on these News comments. :/
Klassikal:
It's not different. Ooh La Layers is the exact same kind of bullshit scam, and I protested vehemently against those in the beginning as well.
The Gold Account is about the only expiring-must-be-renewed thing I will accept, as it does give you access to different features it's sort of a staple of sites like these, a way for them to make money, and Subeta IS good in that it allows users to sell CSC for sP so that if you don't REALLY want to spend real money you don't have to.
Of course, why not have this leash thing be an aspect of the Gold Account? I mean if it's that super awesome it must be limited. Because a Gold Account expiring is one thing that's sensible and easy to keep track of, but all this other expiring-item crap is just confusing and unnecessarily opportunistic. Because seriously, WHY does this thing last for 31 days? It makes no more sense than the Ooh La Layers being temporary. Why not just make having a signature at all temporary or being able to post on the forum only lasts 31 days then you have to pay CSC to be able to or...
Hmm, neat idea, may or may not use it. I guess it's the 'link pet image in siggy' vs a CSC 'official' link comparison for me. We can technically already -do- this with forum text?
I'm one of the crazy ones then i suppose. As I always have a Gold account and i donate about 20 dollars a month. I justify it as its cheaper then a daily morning coffee ( Starbucks 1 'large' coffee is like the price of a GA) . So its sort of my 'guilty pleasure' that i allow myself to splurge on. or going to clubs or bars with friends when we can just chill at a friends place.
But I also think of it as a way to keep the site running since I'd rather donate to subeta then have ads on every square inch of free space. (like quite a few other sites have done and it annoyed the hell out of me) . Sadly with how much memory all the images and all the forums and things the site probably does cost quite a bit of money. That's probably why it expires. Since its just more memory to be used. if it was to be forever it probably need to raise the price quite a lot in case someone wants to keep it for 10 years. why charge 2000 csc if some people may only want a brief bragging right since not everyone will always want the pet under there avatar.
Honestly it takes a lot for me to cop an attitude or be rude to someone. Id rather save it and release full fury on the few who truly deserve it XD
And to all asking for the art to be hidden or least let it be a cash shop item you buy like Oh La Layers i second it. its sad having my page strech so far.
My only confusion is why this couldn't always be done O.o It always did feel like pets went to the back-burner on the forums.
Interesting. It's nice, but I probably won't ever use it. I love my pets, and have all kinds of stuff in the works for them, but I'd rather use my CSC to commission someone for more art or something.
I do hope the leash button can be hidden or something though. It is rather bothersome :C
How is it any different than paying for a Gold Account, Ooh La Layers or any other item in the cash shop? :/ I really don't understand where you're coming from.
Zombie:
Naturally you can get CSC for sP or for free on the forums, but the argument here is actual money. Frankly anyone who would pay actual money for something virtual is toeing the line of having no concept of money and worth, and anyone who would pay actual money for something that EXPIRES is insane. Full stop. You're crazy.
But all that aside, the problem is simply that this item does expire. There's no reason for it. Whether it cost sP or CSC, there's NO reason for this item to expire. It's a slippery-slope to having more and more items that expire, which is basically just like paying for a magazine subscription only you get no REAL items so having to subscribe to everything on the site which, and I know it's repetitive but it's worth repeating, is VIRTUAL is just... unacceptable.
However having said all that, I'm trying to reel in my snarkiness a bit. I was a bit more irritated than I meant to be with my first post, and you're being entirely civil. So while I don't agree with you, I DO apologize for my tone and thank you for being the bigger man or woman and not responding with a furthering of hostilities as you could have. :)
I never said you cant Dislike the price or make a comment on it. Ive complained about a lot but going out and shouting how people are crazy or rich just since they have 12 dollars a year or 1 dollar a month is a bit excessive. 100 pennies, 20 nickles 10 dimes or 4 quarters are not hard to come by every month. If someone spent millions training and filling the TC and making back story's that $1 or 1.9 - 2.5 mill SP a month doesn't seem to bad for them.
Besides if you post in the forums you may get free CSC. and there's offers to make Free CSC as well. You don't need to be rich to afford it. it all depends where a users priority's lie.
I like this! It's kind of like those Ooh La Layers in the CS except it's for forums.
I really hope the leash item doesn't stay on your pet's page! The item is pretty, but it's stretching the pet sections when a link will do. :(
I have an extra dollar, I must be crazy and rich too. What have I been doing?! My dollar could go so far! I could get a candy bar! Oh, wait, no I can't because they're two bucks here. :|
Thank you Zombie, I never thought about it that way before! Wow, I can just not buy it!
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Except that I did think of that because it's obvious. What I'm trying to do is the same thing that's always been tried-to-be-done, which is ridicule things that are ridiculous so that people who thought maybe they were ridiculous but weren't sure (because people like you say, "Oh hey, $1 a month for something that's not real isn't bad!") will realize that they were in fact right and hadn't gone insane.
You can go about having absolutely no concept of the value of real money and real items, explaining the obvious that I can just not buy it and stop complaining (because caring about issues and complaining is just so emo and pointless because if you hate a thing just get off the site omg don't try to make it better!), while the rest of us will continue to be sane over in this corner and now again complain when things start getting ridiculous. Carry on.
Frankenchokies
I have a dollar to spare, yea I'm rich and crazy...
Neat :)
Will see how this displays on forums first though. I'd rather not be the harbringer of even more clutter so will wait for things to get ironed out first.
Frankenchokies
If its that offensive to you... Don't buy it? Its a luxury for people who want it. its not like its a new membership fee or something no ones forcing anyone to buy it.
Besides you don't need to spend real money you can pay SP for a CSC card or you can do some of the free adds. Its not that hard to make.
Screw your real-money-for-shit-that-expires bullshit. And you idiots who think it's a completely fair price to pay for a VIRTUAL NON-REAL ITEM that DOESN'T EVEN LAST HOLY SHIT YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY RICH AND CRAZY.
I'm with smut on the fact of it be nice to have it an item based as it is a bit cluttering. i will probably use one but only on Demtre seeing it under each of my 20 pets really clutters the page ad stretches it quite a bit.
I feel the price is justified since its only 12 dollars a year. the price of 1 book there about. And i love the idea of it as well. The only issue is the clutter on the pets page.
Or even keep it on the pets page but just take out the image of the leash
Nice but I won't use it and I do not like to a leash my pets haha XD