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Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago Official
Keith
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It sucks to be in this position - I'm building this thing that I love for people that I love, it's in a very rough difficult spot: the legacy site costs thousands of dollars a year in security updates because it's so out of date. I'm telling you that if you want Subeta to be on the internet, and I really really do, we need to update the technology. Which means that I am going to have to remove things that have been sitting there for 11 years adding a weird style to some pages and then I will work with you here, and in other threads, to get those pages to what you would like them to be because I can actually make changes! I couldn't before! But it's going to be bumpy, because I need to make changes to keep this site running. And again, if that isn't for you - I get it. There isn't anything I can do differently.

There is a feedback forum in the Kumos forum, there are a couple of threads there with a ton of layout feedback that I've been incorporating. Hundreds of changes have happened from that thread, it's very valuable for me if you could provide feedback there with what you'd like to see change. I've also addressed some of your feedback in this post! with the 'glass shell' layout if you go to the themes page - it moves the clock back into the header!

I pushed out a fix for the games page (and a couple of the other pages that had similar really weird long lists of things) - let me know if you find any more!

Thank you for the links! I think what happened is there was actually a rule somewhere, in one of the libraries I deleted, that centered everything on the site (because that used to be very hard to do with CSS!) and it got removed. I'll have to figure out how to make these pages centered without needing to update every single one (or I'll make a list and do it!)

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Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago
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Telling by your screenshot, this is definitely Kumos not Subeta!

We're here on the Subeta Forums and this thread is solely for eliminating Subeta problems, that arose after Keith had started changing/cleaning the coding on Saturday, which made everything look a lot like Kumos, lol.

You should rather mention this on the Kumos Forum part https://subeta.net/forums.php/forum/2874/ here or over at Kumos itself - "Feature: Suggestions", "Feedback" or the like.

https://kumos.subeta.net/forums/f/2232/project-kumos https://kumos.subeta.net/forums/f/2898/suggestions

Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago
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Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago
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yeahhh i figured this was a cascade sort of situation 😭 so there's almost definitely other pages affected that i missed, but hopefully you can figure something out that doesn't make you have to comb through every one of them individually, for your own sake!!

i DID see that the games page was fixed though, looks very sharp! honestly super cool that making edits to legacy is now like. possible??? i feel like that's a HUGE deal even though i've only been here for a few months haha

Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago
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Here's another list of things to tweak:

https://subeta.net/games/sliding_puzzle.php - the background image containing the puzzle is cut off on the right and bottom sides

https://subeta.net/games/memory.php - the tiles are in a single column instead of a grid.

https://subeta.net/games/reflection.php - the tiles are in a single column instead of a grid.

https://subeta.net/explore/fragmentizer.php?act= - after you turn in items, the items and crystals you received are in a single column

Multiple pages (notably on the Subeta:User sidebar widget and on shop history pages) - the user icon and username are on separate rows instead of one

Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago Official
Keith
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Yes! I literally havent been able to make any real changes to the legacy site in more than a year, because all of the individual pieces could just break 😭

Thank you! Will knock those out today!

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Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago
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house of cards made of broken glass 😭

Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago
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Keith, Thank you for pushing out a fix for the game room and it fixed that problem and now the game room is back to normal for me with the games being horizontal again and not vertical now but the Fragmentizer is still vertical for me and not horizontal with both the items and crystals received as it was yesterday but I didn't realize it until I had already reported on the forums about the Game Room. Here is what I am seeing: The fragmentizer makes strange noises, and here is the result: In Images of Items not showing I added

Out Crystals received not showing

I copy and pasted the images of the items and crystals I added and received but apparently they are not showing up here but you can tell by the words I think what I am referring to. If not I don't know how to show you what I am talking about. Other than that everything seems to be doing okay at the moment and once again I want to personally thank you for all the hard work and busy days and weeks you are putting in trying to keep this site up and running as well as the Kumos site! (VERY,VERY MUCH APPRECIATED) !!!!!

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Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago
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Qahnaarin

I hate to sound like I'm whining but any chance this can get looked into for the Shadowglenn Layout?

https://imgur.com/a/R9mKa1v

The text is super light everywhere else for links, etc and then you go to the quick stock page and it's virtually unreadable. I have to change layouts just to have that stop and be able to see what I'm doing and not have a headache with the dark and light colors all on one page. I tried the Autumn layout and it works, Luminaire has the same problem with the text and the bookmark tabs on the pages just like Shadowglenn. No clue about others, will keep trying them to find one that works temporarily.

(Please note if the image is to big I will edit it to a URL once I can get the site to load and allow me to

Edit: or it just doesn't work anyway. XD)

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Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago Official
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@blackwolf_2009 That isn't whining at all -- and thank you for the screenshot, it helps a lot! I'm going to go through the "dark" themes today and try to get them completely fixed!

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Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago
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Qahnaarin

Thank you so, so much! I think I'll stay on Masquerade for now cuz it seems to work fine without bothering me. :) Can't wait to see how Shadowglenn turns out again. :D

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Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago
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Minor issue with the awesome new quick stock page: menu dropdowns are going behind the stock items header. screenshot

Try out this custom css to demarcate the forbidden columns. /* 2026 shop quick stock / / --visually separate donate and delete columns */ -tbody tr:not(.qs-parent-row) td:nth-last-child(-n+2) { background: color-mix(in oklch, var(--color-primary) 5%, transparent); }

[font=Cambria]Useful Custom CSS[/font]

Mar 11, 2026 1 week ago
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Thank you!

Mar 12, 2026 1 week ago
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Confirming that the sidebar cuts off for me too

K, the colours being messed up. So this is what I had before: https://i.postimg.cc/wTPxz616/sublayout2.png

and this is what I'm seeing now: https://i.postimg.cc/DyDfh2Sz/sublayout1.png

(the extra space on the right etc is from my CustomCSS)

Is there any way to get the colours back to how they used to be...? even if it's just through CustomCSS? because this is the same problem I have with Kumos, so much white/grey! I just want my nice brown background back haha. I get that Legacy isn't going to look exactly the same because of the code changes but the colour thing is weird, esp. the random green banners I've got on the shop page with the text the same colour???

Also the https://subeta.net/pets/[petname] links have exploded again, the only way to look at pet profiles is to check their IDs.

edit: Oh also I forgot to say before, the extra confirmation on quick stock for putting items in vault seems an unnecessary extra step to me too? It's not like vaulted items are being destroyed or anything. It's not a huge deal or anything that needs sorting right away, but I admit I'd prefer it if there was only an "are you sure?" for options that actually remove the item from your account.

Mar 12, 2026 1 week ago
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rawnie Thank you for the links! I think what happened is there was actually a rule somewhere, in one of the libraries I deleted, that centered everything on the site (because that used to be very hard to do with CSS!) and it got removed. I&;ll have to figure out how to make these pages centered without needing to update every single one (or I&;ll make a list and do it!)

A rule for it makes sense, since it's not just headers having the issue! Another note with that: The blue boxes for "feed a pet/put in a pet's treasure/play with a pet" when you click on an item in the inventory to do something with it. They're also not centered with the rest of the box and to the left. Since it isn't an actual specific link, I can screenshot if needed!

Along with my mentioning that the CSC count updating is lagging/slow, so is widget updating! I added a new widget and it took around 5 minutes to actually show on the sidebar. Dunno if that's intended! Same with the news banner for new news also taking a while to disappear after initially hitting close; hangs around for a few minutes before finally disappearing. If intended, no worries. SP being updated is instant so idk if it not being instant for those other things is intended or not.

We also still don't have the floating flowers for Survival; those disappeared before Friday and since the event's ending in a few days, thought I'd note it here, too! Since there are achievements for that, I feel it's important lol

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Mar 12, 2026 1 week ago
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Re font size on sidebar, forums (et all?) - I still have one tab from before the layout changes happened and tried to find out the scale. I downsized my 100% browser 2 clicks = 20% to match the current font to the old. Right now a lot is outside of view, which used to be on an open window (for example NPC shop list on sidebar now needs scrolling)

I know, this is a question I shouldn't ask right now, while refurbishment is still going on, yet...

Will Subeta's lag clear up again or is it doomed to crawl like Kumos for ever? Absolutely every click/page makes us wait for at least 5 seconds (and if I buy items from NPC shops afterwards will still claim, the waiting time between purchases is not over). I would expect, that the massive trash cleaning from the code would rather speed it up?

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edit: Oh also I forgot to say before, the extra confirmation on quick stock for putting items in vault seems an unnecessary extra step to me too? It&;s not like vaulted items are being destroyed or anything. It&;s not a huge deal or anything that needs sorting right away, but I admit I&;d prefer it if there was only an "are you sure?" for options that actually remove the item from your account.
yeah, I mentioned this before, but wasn't sure others would agree. Me, being the idiot and creature of habit, that I am, often just click "stock", run away to another task, only to later be told, I had too many items in my inventory. When I return to the shop page I notice, it is waiting for a confirmation :-)

Mar 12, 2026 1 week ago
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some more minor layout/performance issues for you:

-Job income: the table showing wage + stat boost when you collect pet job income is misaligned, so it's unclear who got which stat boost

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-Bookmarks: the text on bookmarks sticks off, and the background colour behind them no longer fills the rest of the window to the right of them

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-Sidebar: a couple people have mentioned it, but here's a visual on how the sidebar only goes as far down as you have widgets instead of continuing to the bottom. I have enough widgets that most pages look fine in the dashboard tab (but it still cuts off on long pages like forums), but the events tab looks pretty jarring

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-Pets.php: I would love to see the minion images on the Pets page return to full size. They're weirdly small right now, even though their normal height would fit in their box. I personally prefer more minimal visible tables/boxes than that page has rn, like the pale green negative space outlining all their different sections seems unnecessary, but that's not a huge deal either way. As long as they're in these boxes though, I think it would look nicer if the main pet images were centred in their rectangles. Also speaking of boxes + personal preference, one of the aesthetic choices I liked about vintage subeta was the crisp pointy corners on boxes instead of the more corporate-feeling rounded off ones - is that look possible with the new code base? (nbd if not, but I do think this is one of the things people mean in their backlash about the site looking "kumos-y")

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-Use of red vs green: some of the colour choices feel a bit nonintuitive rn. Like on pets.php most stuff is green, which is fine, but the box saying my pet is in the resort is red, which makes it read like a warning/error? This also jumped out at me on the achievements page - previously, completed achievements were shaded in light green, which makes sense and looks like Good Job You Did It. Now they're shaded in pink/light red, which looks more like a warning/mistake/something that needs attention than something that is finished. This goes for the individual number count too - I feel like it would make more sense if finished tiers were green, and in progress / not yet reached tiers were red. Similarly, item achievements used to have more of a clear visual separation between what is done and what is yet to be done. The checkmark instead of the buy/search links is good, but they should be either green or white instead of red to show better at a glance.

screenshots (this one's so minor but while we're here, it would also look neater without those little outlines around the links)

-QuickStock for some positivity, I LOVE that QuickStock now shows little item images. I agree with others that I'd like to see the Stock button down at the bottom again, and some separation between the main categories and Donate/Delete. I'd also like it if the action headings stayed visible even as you scroll down - without that, say I'm putting most things in a shop but there are a few I want to put in wardrobe, once I get to those wardrobe items I have to scroll back up to check which box means wardrobe (and like awkwardly hover the cursor in the right spot and hope I don't lose my place as I scroll back down).

-Quests sidebar: it seems like it's on a looooong cache rn, not just lag, so it doesn't actually show what you have/haven't done in anything near realtime. I did Shinwa almost an hour ago and it still shows it as incomplete. Yesterday I noticed that the counts would update at seeming random points, then not again for ages (like if I'm doing a certain quest at a regular pace, it stays at 0/15 for a while, then jumps to say 6/15, then stays 6/15 until well after I'm finished). By the end of yesterday it was showing 15/15 for all the ones I did, but not until a couple hours after I finished.

-Kiss sorting glitch?: today when I came online I had a whole bunch of kiss notifications in the Kissing Booth category, but mysteriously also had 2 in the Other category? Nbd but weird (maybe they're the autopilot ones..?)

Edit to add: -Alerts: something's up with the timing of these. I always set alerts for Scratchcards (5min), Mallarchy Pond (12min), and Crypts (1h). I spent well over 12min working on this post and doing nothing else, and when I finished, the alert for Crypts had come in but not for those two quicker ones. Pet training has been off too - I have three I keep in training rn and set the alerts for (my BD at 369.75min, one at 153min, and one at 76.5min). Yesterday morning when I first opened the site, all three were done but only the BD's alert had gone off. I've also noticed a couple times that I'll get an alert for the 153 and see that the 76.5 is also done, but had no alert of her own. Or I'll check the training page on my own, see them finished and train them again, then like half an hour later the belated alerts will go off.

Shop sales alerts are also working weirdly sporadically - my junk shop has been selling consistently all afternoon, but I haven't seen a single notification about it. Meanwhile my higher end shop has sold 2 things since I've been online today, and I've gotten notifications about both. This one I really don't mind at all, I just clear the events for the first shop anyway, but feels worth noting as there's no preference/setting or anything I set up for this. If there's a new minimum cost for a sold item to trigger the notification or something I'm all for it, but I've been notified about junk sales in the past so idk. Jk, I got two junk shop notifications right after updating this post. Maybe it has to do with when you last opened that shop? Anyway it's being weird, but I don't hate it.

-Notepad widget: sometimes it updates right away when I try to edit it, sometimes it doesn't and I have to change the same thing a few times before it sticks. Maybe a similar widget cache issue to the quest sidebar?



Mar 12, 2026 1 week ago
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Melody's Cottage Widget is also off center, just happened to notice it a minute ago.

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Mar 13, 2026 6 days ago
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-Pets.php: I would love to see the minion images on the Pets page return to full size. They&;re weirdly small right now, even though their normal height would fit in their box.</p>
<p>-QuickStock (snip) I agree with others that I&;d like to see the Stock button down at the bottom again, and some separation between the main categories and Donate/Delete. I&;d also like it if the action headings stayed visible even as you scroll down - without that, say I&;m putting most things in a shop but there are a few I want to put in wardrobe, once I get to those wardrobe items I have to scroll back up to check which box means wardrobe (and like awkwardly hover the cursor in the right spot and hope I don&;t lose my place as I scroll back down).

Seconding these! :) Especially the minion thing (they're teeny already, they don't need to be shrunken down any more!).

(Sorry if you already saw this) In this thread: ">https://subeta.net/forums.php/read/943530/-Long-week/3/ (If I'm understanding it correctly) Keith said the lag is due to the site moving to a new provider and we might have to move again if it doesn't clear up. The lag is unbearable x___x But I'm trying to be patient with it since I understand there'll be teething issues with anything new like this.

Mar 13, 2026 6 days ago
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I assume this is connected because I haven't had this issue before and it's new, but the past two days in a row, I get a "new news" banner for the previous day's news post right after the site's rollover, and it won't go away for several minutes, no matter how many times I click close. It's back the next page I go to.

I think the new news when it came yesterday also stuck around for a while, but I can't remember.

And also, preview for forum posts is broken, I just found out. It just turned my screen grey and I had to refresh to be able to do anything.

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