@Last_Chance That does confirm my suspicions Oofa Fruits are stable at the 4K-6K price margin. The supply can help the demand. If you don't get all your fruits while going for the "3 times jackpot" achievement, you can always buy them and the price will not budge even a tiny bit. There are people with over 500 Oofa Fruits in their shop.

I do not know how to further explain to you why I think the Black Candy Bars are way too rare. At this point, all we can do is agree to disagree.

Nah, they were much cheaper because you didn't need 250 of them for an achievement. The latter tiers were added later.

I mean both probably have contributed to the increased cost. I definitely get way less of them from random.

Just want to call out that it took me 1300 oofa fruit to get 10 bugs that one time... [Topic=887292]

Yeah, they can get extreme. But Oofa fruits are still much cheaper. And without the prize inflating. You could buy 500 of those and still spend way less than you would with the Black Candy Bar. I still consider oofa Fruit fair and balanced.

If you are going to compare oofa fruits to the black chocolate bar, you gotta look at the whole picture. Using the oofa fruit does not guarantee a result towards the achievement. You HAVE to get a bug for it to count.

It took Chocolate 1300 oofa fruits to find the 10 bugs for the highest tier. Average oofa is going to be 12k-15k. This can inflate too but 1300 oofas will be almost 20 mil. Not to mention the extra time it takes to buy and use up almost 6 times the amount needed to get through 1300 oofas compared to 250 bars.

So really the Oofa Fruit achievement may be cheaper but it can take a whole lot more work. I honestly think the black candy bar is fine as is. There are other achievements to work towards that are easier.

Oofa will maintain stable despite it all, thought. And that's the point that I think matters the most. Oofa Fruit price will always remain small, and there will always be shops selling well over 500 Oofa fruits. This does not happen with Black Candy bars. Thus, Oofa fruits require more effort, but they are balanced. Honestly I don't mind effort if it comes like that, so long as it is realistically attainable and not something that fluctuates.

Black Candy Bars are so difficult to get nowadays, and they are an unreliable wave of economics. I don't understand why people are so opposed to increasing the chances of getting Black Candy Bars. This would only benefit everybody, and make economy more stable.

[Quote]I don't understand why people are so opposed to increasing the chances of getting Black Candy Bars. This would only benefit everybody, and make economy more stable.[/quote] Maybe people are just against making achievements worthless? Yes, increasing the supply of black candy bars would make them cheaper, hoorah, you can get the achievement easier. But then it's just another worthless item and achievement that's pointless. You can argue that the achievement is already a bit pointless, but at least it takes some time. Also "make the economy more stable"... Nah. That's not how economies work. Demand is only going to go down as more people earn the achievement and fewer people join the site. Supply raising will only crash it faster.

As with oofa fruit, the prices are going to fluctuate. Right now, black candy bar is high, but it will come down.

[Edit] Also, where do you see shops selling 500 oofa fruits? I see absolutely none. A single shop as 50? And the average price is like 12-13k. Not 4-6k as you claim. I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers.

How much did you spend per fruit? And did you also try to go for the 3 times jackpot winner slots achievement?

Why is it always the "making achievement worthless" argument? I really doubt the people who pride themselves on "having the hardest achievements" have done things like deleting an Ether or a Malignant Rift Staff. It's not like making things unnecessarily hard for everybody is good game design.

Repeating my edit here- Where do you see shops selling 500 oofa fruits? I see absolutely none. A single shop as 50? And the average price is like 12-13k. Not 4-6k as you claim. I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers.

I was buying a long time ago, but I believe my average was about 10-15k per fruit. About what it is right now actually. (Hindsight says it was a stupid use.of.my sP, but oh well.)

Also I know a number of achievement hunters that have deleted an Ether. I'm not sure what your point is.

Well I saw some when I posted my message. They were probably pushed out because they were more expensive. But there are most of the time slots fanatics who get to sell more. Because the fruit is obtainable, unlike the black candy bar which is time gated.

I respond to everybody trying to express my viewpoints,but at this point I think we simply disagree. I will stick to my guns and I still believe Black Candy Bars should be more common. If I see someone saying they shouldn't, I have to defend my stand.

"Why is it always the "making achievement worthless" argument? I really doubt the people who pride themselves on "having the hardest achievements" have done things like deleting an Ether or a Malignant Rift Staff. It's not like making things unnecessarily hard for everybody is good game design."

I deleted a Malignant Rift Staff, it's not a hard achievement at all?

But we DO need some hard things. Not every achievement IS hard, most of them are already easy, or you can get a lend. Leave the one that are actually challenging a challenge, please.

100M is a lot.

Black Candy Bar is not hard. It is badly designed. Why do the Oddtu items outnumber the actually useful Black Candy Bars? This doesn't happen that blatanly with slots! (And slots aren't time-gated)

100M may be a lot but it is not hard. I have spent more than that on pet slots.

Also the Oddtu has no purpose other than being a minion and it is not consumed when you attach it cause you can take it off. Apples and oranges.

It is still a lot. But it's fair, because it was a plot reward, and there are still quite a bit of those to go around.

But I consider that one hard and fair. Not like the Black Candy Bars.

Nobody is forced to earn the black candy bar achievement. If somebody really wants it, they can spend the money. Just like ether. It's not unfair just because it's expensive.

I think that at this point we simply don't agree, and that's okay. We are all entitled to our own opinions.

I will not respond any further.

I guess I don't understand why Black Candy Bars need to be so common/so cheap that multiple people can buy 250 of them at once without the price changing. Why does this achievement need to be instantaneously achievable when so many others aren't? It seems to me that it's SUPPOSED to either take a long time or be expensive.

Like I said somewhere in page 1-2 of this thread: It would be nice if a developer addressed this. I believe that the Oddtu items might be making the Black Candy Bars more rare than they should be (or were intended to be). That's about it. If the developers indeed believe it is alright the way it is, I will not pursue any longer. But I believe they should be more common. Specially because "Random" is a timed visit and not something you can do whenever like Slots.

Staff did address this: "I do agree with various people on this thread, though, that it's super easy to make sP so 30~ million sP for an achievement isn't as wild as it sounds."