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As for suggestions involving limbs... I'd really appreciate if you read this: Make Rachelle&;s Replacement Limbs layerable
<p>Please if we buy a replacement limb I&;d like to see a layer for it in the layer list come up as "Replacement Limb". If you don&;t have one then you won&;t have the layer appear in the list. This way people who use them can layer creatively and the people who don&;t use them won&;t be bothered by it.</p>
<p>It may need to be somehow integrated into the wardrobe, since I think it&;s for some reason considered a hex.</p>
<p>This feature might be used more if it was 1. More accessible from the wardrobe itself and 2. layerable
It feels a little forgotten about because it&;s so out of the way and constrictive with placement on the body. I know I would use it more if it was updated this way.</p>
<p>Iron Toe could look cool over shoes, maybe you want to use on the normal eye left exposed by CyberEye: Silver without covering the cybereye itself, maybe you want Den Steel Torso to be a metal corset, or you want your Den Steel Leg to be on display and not hindered by pants or shoes. There are many possibilities if layering was implemented.
As it stands right now I don't even see my replacement limb in the new wardrobe, and toggling off the limbs affected by the replacement, still leaves the replacement visible when worn. I'd be really really happy if the replacement limbs were somehow integrated in the wardrobe.
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The replacement limbs are from a really old system that hasn't been updated. They're all considered "hexes" so they fall outside of the regular pieces of the system, unfortunately.
They're on my list of things to circle back on, but as it is right now they're unlikely to get better support anytime soon :(
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I don't know how possible that would be as many of the transformable items also turn into non-wearables. Maybe there's a way for only the wearable options....? :
Is there anyway we can change the items that have different overlays depending on gender to display either overlay on either gender? For example, I can think of the Perfectly Imperfect Beach Hair which has an awesome short hair style that I'd like to use on female HAs sometimes!
true dat. yeah a wearable only option would be good..OR just stop having transformable items and let us unlock all the wearable options for that item....
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There are some accessibility and confusion issues I'd like to point out! I'm not sure if any of these are temporary or not.
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I agree that the top banner is too big, a lot of people play on small screens, and it's also disproportionate to the rest of the layout. Also I can't scroll far enough down the page to have it completely out of view. I'd say it only needs to be roughly half of it's height. Or if it was even in the same header as the one with the wardrobe options, like in the current one. That seems the most space efficient to me.
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The buttons for 'Sort by page' etc, all show me a text cursor when I hover over them. I didn't know they were clickable. I'm assuming this is temporary but I wanted to bring it up because it's confusing. I really liked the drop down menus in the current wardrobe for these, though I think also having buttons that are clearly buttons would also be great!
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The checkmarks under the items skew to the side in a way that makes it pretty wild to look at. I can't tell which item has the checkmark. So positioning them underneath would be great! Also I agree with others, on the 'items you own' page maybe we don't need them. However I do think they're really helpful for the 'all items' page.
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I agree with moving the 'wear' and 'clear' items to separate ends. I'm not even on a touch screen and it worries me to have them next to each other.
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I also agree that being able to click on the worn item to drag it is easier and better than having to click specifically on the move arrows.
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Having the visibility toggle in place of the move arrows (like in the current wardobe) I feel would be more intuitive and is better placing. It looks a bit cluttered underneath the item name.
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Maybe change the blank option in the 'layer' drop down so it says 'All'? It'd be more straightforward I think.
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I agree with changing 'create new outfit' into 'save current outfit'! It really does seem like a button to clear your outfit and start a new one.
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When I click on the square icon on the right side of the subeta banner (where it shows username, settings, signout), clicking away doesn't get rid of the drop down menu.
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I usually zoom into the wardrobe when I use it bc I need glasses, I noticed when I zoom in even to 110% there's a white line between the limbs of the HA (e.g. between the shoulder and the upper arm). Also I agree that the HA's right arm and right torso look pixelated.
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Zooming into 200% starts to have things overlap or break (like the preview HA and the outfit HA, some text buttons, the square icon on the subeta banner breaks so the image isn't over top of the burger menu icon). I'm also on a laptop screen that's got a smaller resolution than my usual monitor right now, so I can check later on and see if it's just that causing the overlap.
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The hair salon as it is right now is just confusing. The filters need to be changed or there need to be more, but either way there definitely needs to be a button to see default only (or put default in with 'owned'). Also imo I agree with the idea that you should be able to click anywhere in the 'square' that the hairstyle image is in to select it. Clicking on the name itself isn't intuitive (especially with how we click on items to wear them). The add to avatar button is great though! Clear and in a good place.
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On the skins page, if you make the box around the selected skin more obvious, people might see that you need to click on it again to deselect it.
I hope this helps! I know it seems like a lot of things but I tried to be really thorough.
Overall I love it, I love the loading times, the outfit counter, the layering of salon hair (once it's fully functional I might start actually using the salon now haha). I'm super pumped about the color system eventually coming back, I appreciate how much work that is!
I LOVE that you can now take the base and the face layers off, I almost never use face layers so it'll be a nice thing to not have to worry about while sorting items.
I also look forward to better organizing, I remember back in Wardrobe v2 I tried using drawers once and it was just a lot of work so I don't use them now. I hope the drawer system that's coming is more user friendly!
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I'm using android chrome version 80.0.3987.149
- First, the "Clear" button is unclickable in the hair salon.
- Layer tabs aren't moving (no drag, no click)
- Certain items (too many to mention) make the screen "jump" to the bottom.. Whereas other items stay put.
I described this in the best "non techie" way I could.. But, here's screenshots (starting from bottom to correspond with the list) Wardrobe Bugs
Edit: the top two pictures are of the icon "jumping" (seperate issue than )
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Thanks for the feedback so far everyone, I think there are a few easy tweaks to make to resolve some of them! I'll keep you updated, but keep the feedback coming!
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Alright, some updates going out:
- Scrolling on all of the pages. And not weird different sizes on each one! Some big mobile friendly updates coming soon as well
- Updated padding on the filters on the items/hair page to be further apart
- Added default styles to the hair salon
- Changed visual style on the items that you're wearing
- Border now appears if you own an item, but only if you're browsing all items on Subeta
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Some things related to the wardrobe on mobile: — On desktop I hate having to click the little move icon in order to change layers with an item, but, on mobile, the little icons actually make the wardrobe usable! I can actually re-layer items with ease! Plus I can scroll through the item list without accidentally moving items! It’s awesome!! — However, mobile layout for the wardrobe is still... not great. The item list takes up too much room, and the actual rows for the items are too large. — Having to scroll to the bottom of the entire item list in order to scroll the actual page to get to see the avatar is tedious. ): Technically you can scroll from the top banner in order to skip scrolling the item list, but it’s not intuitive or readily apparent. — The item sorting options being in the same scroll box as the actual items is kind of inconvenient, especially since I can’t adjust how many items are shown at once. If I get to the bottom of the item list and decide I want to adjust the filters, I have to scroll all the way back up. — Going to the “next” page of items pushes you back to the top of the entire page, which further accentuates the frustration of all the weird scrolling.
I would LOVE to actually be able to better utilize the wardrobe and customize my avatar on mobile with this new version. Sometimes getting on my laptop just isn’t possible, which is sad bc one of my favorite aspects of Subeta is the wardrobe and dressing my HA. Plus, I think it would likely help retain more users, as there are plenty of people that only have Internet access via mobile nowadays.
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You may stylistically or coding preference like scroll over pagination, but I hate this priority. I have no knowledge or understanding of how difficult they would be to implement and code with pagination instead of so much scrolling, so if it has to be that way, then: alas! :( Minimal scrolling for me, please.
The "wear" button should be under the HA and the HA should float. Especially if we're gonna have to scroll so dang much. The Clear button should remain on the bottom of the layer stack so it doesn't interfere with adding new items in as they always show on the top of the layer stack first.
If there's a way to name or re-name Outfits, I can't figure it out.
Pie in the sky request here: allow us to sort Outfits like we can do pet Treasure Chest items. I have Outfits for different seasons/Subetaholidays and it would be nice to group them together without having to Wear them, delete the old one, then re-create over and over again.
I am loving the new wardrobe! The only issue I found is that when I clicked on the X to remove an item I was wearing, it would not always remove, so I had to double click it to remove it.
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This is looking amazing so far. And the little loading smiley face is freaking adorable [sup]o u o[/sup]
some of my favourite things:
- not having to drag my arms around
- more than one salon hair at a time, and being able to toggle their visibility to try out different looks without having to delete the hair and redo it
- being able to try locked hair styles
- owned items being marked
- shop search link for items I don't own
bugs: (using latest Firefox & Windows)
- If I've toggled the visibility of an item, it doesn't always delete on the first try but instead jumps to the top of the list and I have to toggle it a few times to be able to delete it
- If I have two salon hairs, the latest one gets copied to the Hair layer (meaning I end up with "hair"=style2, "Hair: [style1]" and "Hair: [style2]")
- I also had trouble adding a salon hair after wearing the Bald hair style. Had to refresh the page to fix it
- I'm not sure but the salon hair shading colour might not be saving when wearing it. I picked brown as the shading colour but it looks grayer/blacker outside the wardrobe. EDIT: When I reload the wardrobe, the shading there is brown as should be so I guess it's getting saved somewhere
- if I'm viewing page X of one layer and change to different layer, I end up on page X of the new layer instead of page 1. Not really a big issue
- Are the left/right switched up? All the rights seem to refer to the right side of the image but it's actually the left side of the HA. Most items seem to be named to reflect the actual sides of the HA
- I couldn't find a button to delete saved outfits
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Could the arms and legs be on their own layers like the facial features? I'm mainly interested in deciding if my right arm (that is actually the avatars left arm) goes over or behind the hip. This way new items could be drawn without the hole for the thumb (currently if you go armless, there's a small hole where the fingers used to be)
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Would it be possible to buy more outfit space with CSC/SP? Apparently I made nearly 240 outfits in a year, thankfully the legacy ones don't count towards the limit but I think it's still best I do some spring cleaning over here <__<;
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I'd also love to be able to be able to pick my skin (and eye) colour the same way the hair salon works but I understand you guys just redrew the bases (or atleast the lines) and I probably should have said something sooner
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I, too, would love to see sort items by name back
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And more of an item related suggestion but relating to the wonderful idea of transforming items in the wardrobe: could shoes and gloves be transformable to left-only/right-only/both?
Thanks for all the hard work you do!
Going to page 2 of All Items then searching for something with less than two pages of results, like 'duel', seems to take me to the non-existent second page - so nothing shows up. I spent ages thinking the search just wasn't working for some words.
Happy to hear! We're working hard right now to fix up the mobile layout as well, for both tablet & phone layouts. Fortunately we're using a style system that makes it pretty easy once we put it in a little bit of effort. Thanks for pointing out!
These are all great! We aren't likely to add space increases with sP/CSC, but it is a gold account perk! We're looking at those perks (especially as I'm revisiting a lot of very very old pages) and finding ways to make them better, so hopefully that GA will be enticing to you soon!
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Honestly, I'm havin nothing but trouble with this new Wardrobe. Not sure if it's just me or what but I'm not a fan so far. I can't get anything to work or load or change.
I also don't like that its limiting olthe number our outfits we can save. I have a bunch of mine & even other people's that I saved for inspiration & stuff, so what's goin to happen to them? Just get deleted? I don't like that. Also, how can I delete some of them if I'd like to? I can't figure that out either.
Maybe it'll be great once I figure it out & if it loads on my phone, as that's all I have to be able to get online with.
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It says on the page that none of your current outfits are effected, and there is a delete button on the page!
The reason that it's loading slow is because the existing wardrobe is slow, and locks up our API server. So during events like Masq that are wardrobe heavy, lots of users run to make their avatars and the wardrobe looks up all the items they own, etc. This is incredibly expensive, and makes the whole site run slow.
So, one of the reasons for the move is to move toward a cleaner API and queries that don't lock up the rest of the site.
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Maybe it's just not loading, but I definitely don't see a delete button anywhere either? I'm guessing it's going to be right next to "wear", so I'd better not accidentally click that space?
There is no delete button for outfits... like literally... And its incredibly hard now to even make an outfit and confusing. 😐
Edit: Delete button is there but not visible until clicked... Search isn't working and nothing is really loading either despite clicking the added to wardrobe button.
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