@ Permanent Not bad! But I think I've finally figured out what bothers me so much about the TC slot transfer pages: they're oddly disjointed, messy, confusing and tucked away.

You can transfer slots from other pets to one particular pet. Only accessible from an individual pet's TC. (https://subeta.net/pet_treasure.php?petid=PETID&act=transfer) With a GA, you can skip that and move them on a (to me) very confusing bulk transfer page that involves all of your pets. (https://subeta.net/pet_treasure.php?act=transfer_bulk)

You can only reach the TC transfer pages by editing your pet's TC. Makes sense! But there are so many buttons and colourful boxes and IMPORTANT TEXT already going on on that page. In addition to ALL of your TC item images. It's messy. It's chunky. I have to scroll down past all the text to get to properly editing the TC itself and I'm on a big screen (1920x1080).

I think it would be a good idea to have a mix of the individual and bulk transfer pages. Replace the GA-only bulk transfer (do people use this? how often?) perk with a percent discount on transferring (and possibly buying!) TC slots. One page for TC transfers. Unify it, streamline it, make if fab, link to it on the pets.php page so I don't have to go trampling through several related pages just to get to the thing I want to use.

For the new TC transfer page, make it so you have to pick a pet to transfer slots to first. Then pick a pet (or several pets!) you want to transfer slots from. Manual number input, site does the math crunching for me, including discounts. I hit accept & pay. Boom, slots are transferred. Pls do not have it list the total TC slots of a certain pet you're transferring slots from - the current bulk transfer page does that and it's confusing. If PET_A has 100 TC slots, but 75 of them are taken up by items, the page should only mention the 25 free slots - the slots you can actually transfer. If possible, do not display the pets that are not eligible for TC slots being taken from them (have 3 out of 3 max TC slots, have FULL TCs, or were recently adopted). Do display them for having slots transferred to them.

It still baffles me that I have to pay to transfer slots that I already own personally. That's about as ridiculous a prospect as paying to transfer wears from my wardrobe to my inventory or vice versa, when you really think on it.

Just my two cents.

A good chunk of the slots people want to be moved weren't paid for - they're slots gotten via random events, most likely, so it shouldn't be free to move. But, I'd support it being 50% to 60% of the cost of a new slot.

i wouldn't mind that for the individual tc transfer pages at all!

i'm an outlier, but the last few times i had a GA, it was mostly to take advantage of the bulk transfer and mass move items to tcs 8) i needed to move several hundred spaces, and i wasn't up for doing that with the 25 tc space move limit or the 10 item move limit. (in fact, i like both those features so much that i delay doing major tc stuff until i have a ga!)

that said, i've only used the bulk page to move slots between multiple pets once, maybe twice (ie, moving 200 slots and splitting it 140 to one pet and 60 to the other). every other time it's been all slots to one pet, so i would be ok with losing the bulk page in favor of a better discount.

Aha, cheers for letting me know! I'm glad it's being used after all but tbh I would love it if the two pages could somehow be meshed into one for maximum efficiency. :') The bulk page scares me. I get tangled up in numbers easily and it makes me anxious about moving filled TC slots on accident thanks to a typo. I know it's not possible, but anxiety don't care. Anxiety do what it wants.

For people who work on their pets, this cost is a non-issue. However I wish the price cut was larger as I already had to incur the cost of purchasing them and feel the punishment on the back side well.. sucks.

If we could have a flat cut off the top I'd be happy with it. I'm one of those people who gets sad when I realize I don't have a grasp on a particular pet and want to turn to adopt them out but have to remove all the slots I paid for and the contents. I like to build treasure chests first.. oof.

I don't mind the cost ultimately because if I'm working on my pets, I'm working on my pets.

So before I go back to the miracle of paint, did you guys have any Input on what you would like to see? Currently my idea is for bulk transfers you select which pets you want slots added to. And then below them in columns is the rest of the pets in table form like the previous mock up, next column the number of free slots they have, a column for each of the selected pets to give slots to, and an auto populated slots left column to prevent you from taking more than that pet has to give. At the bottom a total of the slots being moved per pet, their new totals and then the cost for that transfer.

I like the idea of Bulk Transfer then being a GA Perk because it is more involved. But I am also for a GA Perk of discounted TC Slots to buy.

Hmmm, I think that sounds good? I'm a little wary on the having to select the pets you want to transfer slots to first, since the two times I've used the feature it wasn't to transfer slots TO a particular pet it was to lessen the slots a certain pet had. So, in that case I just passed the slots out around my pets? I guess were I using your hypothetical version I could've just chosen all my pets, right?

Thinking about it more, and typing my questions out, it's all good~ I especially like that it would show the amount of slots available from each pet.

And buying discounted TC slots as a GA perk?? THAT would definitely make me keep buying GAs (even if the autopricer and quest bonus didn't already).

big mood. tbh i wouldn't mind the bulk move page getting touched up; it took me a few tries to figure out what was going on initially so i don't really think it's intuitive p:

i'm not very good at visualizing things, so i'd have to see what your idea looks like first o; (i also don't remember what the bulk page looks like all that clearly, but that's because my brain is. not great)

tbh i think i'd be ok with keeping the current one so long as it got some kind of added highlight for pets whose tc spaces have been changed. like if you add / subtract spaces, they get a ✨ next to the row or something

So I guess my issue with the current one which I haven't used is that it lists the minimums. While I understand why it does that, it doesn't make it easy. It also lists pets that don't have slots to give up. So I guess unlike the individual page, this one would let you pick multiple sources to pick up the slots. Like how often. I guess does one need to move slots around to more then like 5 pets at a time?

@ jensen I'm fine with that too, that page is useful but it really does need a little bit of love. And YEP, definitely a highlight for pets whose TCs you've added/removed slots to in the current session (what word do I even use)! b/c holy flaming mess, Batman, it gets nightmarish to make heads or tails of things with 90-something pets. D: Like... sparkles, or an arrow, or some way of pointing out that hey, you did a thing with this pet in the current session.

@ Permanent I think being able to select which pet you want to add slots to might help with that.

Example: you're mass-adding slots. PET_A is currently selected to have TC slots added to it. You can't take slots away from pets that have the required 3 TC slots so those pets aren't even displayed in the list of pets you can take TC slots from, neither are pets with completely filled TCs (120/120 items). But if you pick PET_B in a new session and that particular pet has only 3 TC slots, you can easily mass-add to it.

Right now it's just a confusing mess and I never use that page to move TC slots. 😭 [edit]Edited for clarity because words are hard.

I feel like there has been some repeating of things??? So....

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Compiled list of requests/comments on the TC-transferring in general:

-for it to be a separate page from the TC page

-flat 50% discount on transferring slots for all users -bonus discount on transferring slots for GA users -discount on buying TC slots for GA users

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Compiled list of requests/comments on the mass transfer page:

-choose pets to transfer slots to (idk if there should be a limit; 5 like you said before sounds fine with me) -display (current number of slots on chosen pets) + _____ -manual form fill-in

-do not display pets that no slots available to transfer -list the amount of slots available to transfer from each pet -highlight/indicate which pets have had slots moved from -manual form fill-in + all/max button

Here is what has mentioned about the transfer page:

just gonna respond to select points 'cause it's easier and faster, if that's alright ;o;

i like that it lists minimums because it makes moving all the random one-off free slots easy to do; i find it easy to ignore when it's not relevant to what i'm doing. i admit i don't have to move slots to more than five pets very often (and i have "only" 43 pets so the list is long but manageable imo), but i chafe at having to select which pets receive slots, etc. i like the bulk move page because i can go in, type my changes, hit the button and be done. having to select my pets and such does not sound appealing to me.

i don't understand this; both tc move pages are already separate. unless it means linking it separately? (ie, on a pet's dropdown.) in which case, i don't see the need; personally i think it makes sense for a pet's tc page to act as a 'hub' since it means you can see the state of it before making changes. like i said above in response to permanent, this is not appealing to me unless it's optional i do not like this suggestion, because usually i want to transfer empty slots to pets who are full does the bulk page not do this already? i feel like it does but i can't check x:

What means by the minimums is that it lists the number of slots that the pet must have. She wants to change that number to the number of slots available to transfer instead, which would make moving those one-off slots much easier.

I.E. - Instead of your pet that you want to move slots from saying that it has 220 slots and it must have a minimum of 120, it will just have one column saying that it has 80 slots available to transfer.

I also don't super like the idea of having to choose pets to transfer to on the mass transfer. That's what makes it a mass transfer page imo.

I don't think the TC transfer needs to be separate on the pet-link list either, but I just included it since it was something that Frost suggested. (Click that link to see her post on it.)

This is in conjunction with the choosing the pets you'd transfer slots TO. So first you'd select pets to transfer slots to (obviously all pets would be displayed), then you would have a list of all pets that have slots available to transfer slots FROM.

The current mass transfer page doesn't list the number of slots available like the single transfer page. It has the number of all slots in the input field and then the "minimum allowed" column. Which is the minimum number that pet can have. (Talked about that in the first response here.)

Alrighty, I am back on a laptop so I can respond a hell of a lot easier than if I tried to do this from my phone.

So minimums, as Kanna explained just, tells you how many slots that pet must have either because of the standard 3 items or because they have that many items in their current TC. It is not all that user-friendly. What I was proposing was cut that column entirely and just put in a # of free slots which would list how many could be moved.

This is why I asked before I made the mock-up because I never use it. That makes perfect sense though for the bulk transfer.

For the individual transfer page, it makes no sense to list the ones that cannot transfer slots to the pet you designated. For the bulk transfer slot page then I 100% agree with you. All pets should be listed so you can add to the ones that have no free slots and remove from the ones that have free ones to give.

The reason I asked about 5 pets was that Frost mentioned if there was a way to like combine the two pages then. Which I understand why someone would want that but I couldn't at the time figure out a way to make that really feasible. The 5 pet cap was to have a mix of both so to speak.

So now I am going to take the time to edit what I think is a good compromise for the bulk page. I will add in some explanation once I have the mock-up because there are a few moving (auto-populating fields) that I am not entirely sure is even feasible. Again I am not a coder/UX person whatsoever, I just like making Mock-ups and then having people tell me what can and can't be done and tinkering with it again.

Bulk Transfer Mock Up

So the last two columns will be auto-populated as well as the bottom text. Essentially everything that is TC Change -# has to equal TC Change +#, if not you get an error. But at least now you can see what the new total is. Other UX changes could be like highlighting a number that is too high in the remove section to show the person they pulled more then they could. Or that transfer button doesn't show up until the numbers work out. Or only turns blue when it is feasible otherwise is red/grey whatever. Lots of fancy things that could be done potentially.

Anyways here is also just what I am in favor of: [li]GA Perk Bulk Transfer (If it isn't already. I am not sure but it should be a perk because man working with 50+ pets is a lot)

[li]GA Perk Discount in Buying actual TC Slots. Instead of 50k it should be like 35k.

[li]For everyone transferring TC slots it should be 25k a pop.

That is so much easier to digest~!

I think we've come to a point where this is more of a suggestions/ideas board, lol. So if you want to move it?? I could edit my first post with your two mock ups and our hopeful suggestion of a GA discount and a drop for slot transfers. (Or one of us could just make a new thread.) Let me know if you think moving it is a good idea so I can edit my first post before you do~

I only have minimod privileges in Suggestions and Ideas. I can't do anything about boards that aren't in my area. This is one of those grey areas where technically it is feedback on existing features that also involves some new additions. I would advise against having two boards one here in feedback and one in S&I. For clarity though I would edit the first post to condense what a few of us have discussed. Just so people don't have to read all of us repeating very similar things trying to decipher and communicate.

If thinks this is more of a suggestion now then it should go to the Pet Section of S&I so Pets (Parent:13). if they feel it is feedback then it stays here unless then staff want to make an official call.

I like that mockup! The one thing I can think of potentially changing straight away is colour-coding for the numbers in the "Change" column, but that's a cosmetic touch. 👍 It's way clearer and there's no need for selecting a pet, which makes me happy because that's less programming to mess with! x)

Alternatively, maybe merge the New TC Amount and Change columns into one? So you'd have one column with "New TC Total". For Slippery, the first pet in your example, the numbers would be: 10 color=red[/color]

Though I still find the existing slots vs. free slots confusing because I'd only be focusing on moving free slots around, but that's just me being me. It's not a very easy page to streamline.

My issue with color coding is that green/red is one of the most common color-blind combinations. I can see how combining new Total/change from two columns into one in that manner though would be helpful. Seeing the current amount a pet has is I guess just a relic of trying to understand what changes you made. Because if I just had the change column at the end I can't mental math well. I like the before/after picture but that's me. But yeah it as a whole could still be made friendlier.

That's true... :/ I suggested the colour coding because so many other places use red/green for warnings and boon alerts. Like the discount from your discount card when buying things - even the text is green. Or the warning for not having enough EXP to buy stat points on the Spend EXP page. Or the warning you get for buying items too quickly (dark red text on light red background).

Yeah, the bulk transfer page is a really odd one to streamline. Either it feels like there is too much information on the page, or it feels really confusing. Your latest example is definitely a good improvement to the current one.