There needs to be someway to choose a tier for the amount you are willing to spend on your partner and a way to deal with partners that don't gift or are mean/abusing Mysterious Melody either a time limit ban from using mysterious melody or a permanent ban from it for multipul offences

edit: i'm not saying this because i want anything back i said it because there are people intentionally making it a not nice thing that test to see what they can get or are mean even when gifts are given. On the other hand there are people who feel if they can't match what is given that they aren't as good.

I understand things happen and people forget that's not the issue

Isn't it better to give than to recieve?

penalizing people because they don't give up to your standards doesn't seem very festive or cool to me

I would not be a fan of this. I’ve actually forgotten at least once that I signed up for mysterious melody and by the time I realized the limit had reset.

This would essentially penalize people who might have had a legitimate reason they didn’t send and it’s not always that people just don’t want to send.

This has been discussed before, I don't see it actually being implemented. But, for sake of the conversation, I kind of agree that having an option for tiered pricing of presents, might be kind of nice or easier for those that don't have as much and may relieve some of the pressure of having to live up to an impossible standard that sometimes their matches may have. Could go the other way too in which those that expect more would be happier knowing that they have a better chance of receiving higher priced items, if tiers were made reality. Honestly, though, I used to think this was a good idea, and as I've grown up on Subeta the last 4 years almost 5, I've realized that I personally just enjoy giving what I give, and getting what I receive. I love the mystery of whatever I'm going to receive, and wondering and hoping they love the mystery and actually receiving what I gift them. So, I see the view on both sides for this.

Edit; Just seeing the second part to this about the penalizing those who don't or forget to gift. I've been sad for those that don't receive due to this, but sometimes real life gets in the way and it isn't honestly done out of malice, even several times. I've had days go on where nothing is sent back, and I've realized this is sometimes what happens on the other end. TBH punishing isn't what I see as a good idea or even reasonable idea anymore. I do, however, think that maybe having a queue would be nice, that people could stick presents into and have it automatically send something to the other person somehow, if you forget, would be a nice feature. But probably not worth the coding or time it could take to create it. Kind of like when you're on Tumblr and you know you may not get to update or whatever, and you set up posts to be reblogged or posted for you in your absence, but instead, with presents for your MM.

I don't see that much of a problem with this. The really fun exchanges I had started out with nice but cheap items, like a sticker, a cookie, an ornament, or something else seasonal worth only a few 1000 sp. If there was a reply, gifts increased in worth, sometimes slowly, sometimes quickly. There are ways of conveying that you are broke, don't have time, are sorry, happy, have to leave, etc. so besides not getting to participate for a day i don't see a huge problem with getting an unresponsive partner.

If anything, a hardcore and a casual gifting option would be useful, because on some days I don't have time for more than an hour of subetaing. It might be cool to officially be able to sign up for just sending 2-3 gifts spread over the day instead of risking to disappoint someone who is geared up for a whole day of giftbombing.

Edit: or the gifting queue mentioned, this sounds like a fun thing too. Maybe even with two options: send regardless at a certain time / interval or send whenever something is received. 2nd option is of course still abusable with junk items, but I tend to assume the good in people and hope those would be rare.

Edit 2: or the option for signing up for only am hour or so of MM? That would also solve the time zone problem that i seem to have sometimes.

Every year there's someone who misses the point....

Yknow, you could organize your own Forum Group and do it your way and let MM be what it is. Nothing stops you from doing this.

Me: Unpopular opinion, but I love when my MM give themed items instead of super expensive ones.

I follow their lead and simply send one 'higher priced' item out of nowhere with a thank you as it gives me a lot of fun. If your partner is not answering you today, try tomorrow. If it becomes too annoying, just stop signing up for a few day or the remaining days of the month. I don't sign up on a regular basis for that reason.

I'm not against a tier based game but I can see how unfair it would be at the same time and it goes against the spirit of Luminaire (or giving in general). However, I am against a permanent ban or any type of ban simply because some people are busy during the day (count me in!), life can be crazy and do unexpected things, it's the holidays for everyone as well and last, it's simply rude as you are never forced to send anything to anyone, nor gift bomb.

I'm not really supporting the penalisation option because I'm usually doing 10,000 things at once and get caught up or forget that I'm doing MM for maybe an hour.

For example, I started writing this post before 12:00. It's now 13:41!

The only thing I'd like to see is a button to pull out before you are assigned to a partner (if possible). Or a confirmation window ._.'

I was a bit stressed in the morning a few days ago, hit mystery melody instead of melody's cottage on the front page and also hit the button to join without second thought. Only realized afterwards that it was not the cottage when I didn't see any gifts but the waiting-for-a-partner message. My partner send me nice gifts and I tried to answer them as good as possible - well it took me like 7 hours though because of no time.

Even if they implemented tiers for the amount you're willing to spend, you'd have people joining a high tier and farming for expensive things. Sure, if bans are implemented that might slow it down, but it still wouldn't stop people from doing it. It'd be a free source of expensive pixelitems, and how is anyone on staff supposed to know if this user didn't participate because of malicious intent, or because they were unable to? Cue people crying about unfair warnings and bans from MM.

If MM stresses you out that much, simply don't participate. It's that easy. This is my third or fourth year where I'm not participating - my skin is clear, my nerves are calm and I get to save the sP and gift my friends instead.

Every year I push using the gift exchange in the gift center if you want to do a MM like thing with it not being MM. It's not advertised at all so users forget about it or don't know it exists. I'm getting tired of playing it almost by myself and getting my things back. I save up things all year in hopes that this is the year it's finally pulled out of the shadows and gets used by more than a handful. Then every year I'm putting those things back into my vault.

Gift exchange works almost like MM. You put in an item around 5k, someone else does as well, bam! both are matched and traded. You get the bonus of knowing who you traded with right away.

I should make a thread suggesting some changes to it I'd like to see.

unfortunately its only early lum and I have seen more than a handful miss the point..

I think they tried something a little like this with the Holiday Bush or Mystery Bush or whatever that thing was called....? When you had to fulfill a wish before asking for one yourself, and the only requests available were for insanely expensive, unobtainable items and since there were achievements involved the outcry was immense?

I have the feeling is right. If MM was tiered, that would get abused too.

has a great point; I forgot the gift exchange even existed. It would be nice to see that functionality fleshed out a little bit so that it would be more noticeable and then more used, since that seems like a good alternative for folks unwilling to take a risk on MM. I know I fit in that group, I haven't played MM for years since I do get disappointed when I continually get folks who don't have time or don't wish to reciprocate.

@ Lirikai Do you mean the Wishing Shrub they did for Peka Boo, back in 2014? That was a cool feature initially! But, as usual, party poopers happened. A lot of users just wanted to have fun granting wishes, but it ended in a lot of complaints because some people thought asking for godlies, legendaries and 5000 CSC cards and cluttering the shrub up with those things was lol, so funny. 😒

The complaints involving MM are as old as the feature itself, iirc. I don't think tweaking it to limit/ban people would be a good idea, as annoying as it is to get absolutely nothing back from your MM partner.

... I forgot the gift exchange was a thing too. :o I wonder if staff forgot about it too? It feels like one of those old features that fell through the cracks, like the old oracle token shop that Elwood used to run.

Aha, yes, that! Some people deliberately put in reasonable requests but since the whole userbase was busy refreshing looking for something halfway reasonable, those got snapped up and left the impossibles hanging around. Womp womp.

I love themed gifts. I usually try to do a theme with mine everyday, but sometimes I run out of gifts and I always want to try and match theirs lol but themed is great. And hi <3

Is right the tiers would more likely be abused, though helpful to some. Also hi <3

I still think it would be super helpful, no matter what amount or what theme or anything, if people could put gifts into a queue for the day and let that do the job if they can't. But, this is without a knowledge of how difficult coding is. Just because I think it'd be a great thing to add and seems simple enough, doesn't mean it actually would be to put together. I personally would probably use it once or twice, because December is a busy month and things sometimes come out of no where and there isn't a way to help it.

I think it's fine as it is, I get maybe an handful of active MMs every year and a ton of people who sign up and don't even send one single item but I don't care, if people don't participate in the exchange it's their loss cause they don't get anything from me and I'll wait next day to gift someone else. I don't want a price range because I don't give a crap if the person is sending me items worth 5 sp each as long as they're making it fun, I am happy to get a set of cheap candycane themed items if that's all they can afford and I want to spoil anyone who can't afford much but it's nice and toughtful. Just don't send a 20 million items as soon as you sign and then complain if you don't get anything in return, send soemthing cute and cheap, see how it goes and if they're active then you can gift bomb them, this way you won't get disappointed.

Even if they did tiers/brackets by price, how would staff/site reinforce these? People could sign up to the highest tier and not give anything, wanting to mooch off the people that do? :0

MM has always been a risk. There are alternatives on the lumi boards even though those aren't exactly risk-free either.

I liked the wishing shrub thing fwiw. That was a cool idea even though the wishes ended up being horribly expensive. xD I would love to see a shrub-esque feature back again, tweaked of course to prevent asking for higher end items or set time limits on wishes. n__n

This. I support this! Maybe this would help with all the negativity a bit. If something like this can't be implemented then I feel like maybe MM shouldn't be a full day thing. Maybe an hour? That way you only sign up when you know you'll be online for a bit. And hey if you're on again later then sign up again later. Or get rid of it all together. I understand it's frustrating to have someone be silent. Maybe have a way to request a new partner? Or a way to sign up with a certain level of activity in way of a question. "How active do you plan to be?" 'Online for 1-2 hours' 'Online all day' 'Just a quick gift bomb' There has to be a way to fix it though, because 70%+ of this thread is talking about how poor of an experience everyone is having.

**For the record. I have not had a bad experience with any MM I ever had. I've had inactive people but I just gift them with 500k items randomly through the day instead of gifting large gifts constantly. I always go in planning on being way more active than the other person because I know I have the time to be right now. I only entered once so far this year and I had an amazing person paired with me. I love MM overall I just wish there was a way to make it better for everyone else.

This was my post on the MM Bragging and Complaining board. It's probably more likely to be seen here :)

I'm definitely against a spending tier. I don't want MM to turn into something where you go in expecting to get a minimum value out of it. It's about gifting. If I send expensive items and they send lower value stuff back, it's up to me to decide if I want to keep sending expensive items. If you're a user that wants to 'get back' your value then adjust what you are sending to match your MMs means and save your expensive stuff for another match. If it doesn't bother you, you should be free to gift bomb the crap out of your MM no matter what.

Different people participate differently, some are up for all day, some only for 15 minutes, and both of those are fine. You might not always get matched with someone who wants to participate exactly the way you do, you'll get matched with different people each day and get to experience all types of gifting.

My biggest gripe with MM is signing up because I want to participate and then being matched with a non-participant, repeatedly. One or two no-shows would be one thing but more than half the time? I feel like MM is a game on Subeta saying 'hey, play me!' and after I click on it it's just infinite loading - a non-participatory partner means I don't get to truly participate and it happens way too frequently. I don't think a permanent ban is the solution, as people change and may learn to respect others. Though, I do wish there was a way to flag users - to do what, I don't know. Temp MM ban? Unofficial warning? I don't have the answer.

I totally forgot the gift exchange existed lol

I remember the wishing shrub! I really liked that :) Though I do think wishes should have a timer or something to expire rather than resetting at midnight.