This is concerning the latest update to shops and gallery revamp on Subeta. On reading the comment section I have noticed how this decision has affected many of my fellow players on Subeta me included and that many people are reacting negatively to the change. I decide to take a step back and address the situation from a more Transformational perspective. Therefore I have create a list of alternative suggestions (see below) as well as included a list of the ones that are already in place to address the issue at hand. Current Ideas in Place that seems to help in my opinion Collection Plushies Collection Beanbags Collection Pumpkins Collection Cards Food Eaten/Pet Food Gallery

Alternative Ideas How about a Gallery Collection were people can add only one copy of each item on the game along with achievements and maybe even trophies Subeta could start out small with this and add more eligible items as they see fit just so the server doesn’t accidently crash. Make pets treasure spots free or easier to increase without having to spend so much CCC or Subeta points some of the reason people hoard things is because their items they want to attach to their pets treasure but it take a long time to increase. Wish list for your pets: Type in key words based your bets story or character and subeta uses them to compile a wish list for all items your pet wants that are on subeta based on these words. Once you add an item to the pets treasure chest it is removed from the pet’s wish list. For items your pet has or doesn’t want a link could pop up Sorry but your pet already seems to have this wish granted are you sure you want to attach it or this isn’t one of your pets wishes are you sure you want to attach it. This idea came about because it can be difficult to sort through and figure out which items each of your pets already have for those who have a large treasure chest. Toys Played With/Pet Toy Gallery: so people can see all the toys their pets have played with not my idea saw this on a forum once but not sure whom it is was either way I surrender all credit to them. Wardrobe: Clothing and Currently Active Improve Recycle Beast or have some sort of reward system for deleting unwanted item: Theirs items I’d like to get rid of and aren’t even worth selling but the recycle beast if very limited in what items it accepts on a daily bases. If you had away for people to get rid of those items (delete them from the sight) that nobody wants and offers a reward I think people would be more likely to get rid of them. Figure out a Place to store Petpets that allows them to be removed and added as see fit as it is seems to be the biggest item people hoard. I mean at least I know I do. (Possibly have this but still in testing phase with GA members only, haven’t heard anything more about this though). Retire some old items I notice you are worried about people having lots of items well lots of new items have been introduced while still having the old once hanging around. Maybe it’s time to retire some of the old items decreasing the number of copies on the sight.

I have a hunch that a "toys played with" list will be coming soon. It's been suggested several times and there have been some references to toys by staff lately (in the newsletter too).

(If it indeed is in development, this is yet another example of the "hoarding is bad for the site - let's reward all hoarders!" phenomenon we all know and love...)

[edit] Oh, I'd love to be able to recycle more items. That's definitely something that could be utilised better as a means of getting super cheap items out of the system.

I just want galleries on a completely separate system so that I can add to my galleries again. There's no way I would be taking out my items and using them because I don't want to do that. I don't want to read them to my pets, play with them, feed them, whatever. I want them PRESENTED IN MY GALLERY.

I'd be perfectly fine making minion zoos functional by just making it a minion collection where you can remove your minions and maybe do something else nice with them, but remove the battling altogether because I'm pretty sure that's what is holding up any progress on the zoo.

I really, really want to be able to feed more things to the Recycle Beast. The points from Survival flowers alone would be a handy bonus.

I'm getting the same hints that "toys played with" will be coming soon, or something very similar.

Here are some good suggestions I've seen on the other threads on this topic (most of them by )

1)A way to increase the amount you can feed a pet in a day.

A few options here. Make them hungry faster (could interfere with battling).

Or, some combination of GA user privilege/SP/CSC to allow either to make it so you can feed one pet unlimited for a day/hour, or even make it so that you can pay/have a privilege that your first listed/active/pick any one/leashed pet can be fed unlimited items (a lot of potential combos of those suggestions, sorry). This suggestion could also be applied to toys if the new hints about toys lead to a similar system as the foods.

2)ANY TIME and EVERY TIME you come out with a new function or achievement for items, make sure that a sufficient number of those items are re-released into the economy, even if they were supposed to be retired. A lot of hording is "but what if they come out with a cool new feature/achievement for this later, and the price shoots up?"

3. Have the Recycle Beast accept ALL reign items, ToT items, flowers, other event items, etc, for 48 hours after an event has ended. Alternatively, have one day a week/month/season where the recycle beast will accept any and all items that have a "holiday item" rarity.

4. (Quoted directly from Andrea) "Why can't we, as a user, have a treasure chest JUST like our pets? This could be the new public galleries, only we get just one. It could serve as an sP sink, too (shouldn't be as costly as a pet's is, maybe 25 slots for 100k or something). People could theme them, move items around, give a 250 character blurb about it... There could be a User Treasure spotlight, too. Get a nifty trophy and stuff. "

5. Make galleries a completely separate site function from shops. Remove all that stuff about pricing, keep all the nifty categories and search and filter functions. Increase the limit to say, 10k distinct items per gallery. Give everyone one gallery to start. Allow users with gold accounts to spend SP to buy a new gallery, with maybe a maximum of 5? Or instead of letting GA users buy them with SP, allow ALL users to buy them with CSC. These shouldn't count to any limits on the number of non-gallery shops users can have.

6. Right now GA users have TOO much of an advantage over non-paid users. Having 4x the available space to sell things (double shops and double space in the shops) smacks of a pay wall and gives them a very distinct advantage in making money, something GA shouldn't really do. I would find it much more reasonable if GA users got double the item limit, but everyone should have the same number of shops. Possibly with the option to buy more shops like you can now.

7. Users who paid money to get up to 10 shops now need a refund, or if the new system allows users to buy new shops they need a credit towards that system.

Haha thanks for the ping, I'll be lazy and just quote what I said on the other board because I like the idea of ideas being in one place.

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of all the suggestions, we already can curate wishlists for your pets. It's called wishlist categories.

Make it so every user has one gallery, can sort it into sections (ala neopets), and don't put an item limit on it. The fact that users with extensive galleries are now being penalized from having shops is bonkers, and the incredibly low limit (250 items for a non-GA user is less than the number of items released during this year's Masquerade) just destroys any usability.

what about the two currencies we already have for getting rid of items? why do we need a third? I'd rather not have the number of currencies on subeta exceed the number of currencies in the world.

For those of us who have been trying to get the hoarding gallery achievement, maybe we could put an item in the gallery and it would record it, but then we could take it out and use it (wardrobe, food, sell, etc...) then we could still obtain the gallery achievements without keeping all the items. We would need to be able to see a list of all the items that have been previously in our galleries in order to find new items.

Also there are a lot of items that have no uses. I think there needs to be some use for them, or few people, going forward, are going to buy them due to lack of room.

I like the links for the pets like books read and food eaten, it's kind of like a gallery. Maybe we could get some new categories besides those.

I like this idea. Just keeping track of the unique items that have been in a gallery instead of needing to leave them there.

Honestly, I wouldn't be so upset with all these changes (as long as you take into consideration their eventual improvement) if they hadn't also announced the end of those achievements. The Super Shop! I can achieve by the deadline, but I'm 30k away from 45k uniques, even after 8 years of casual playing. I think the Hoarder achievement should be adapted, not retired.

I'm just about to get the 30,000 myself (about 25 more items), so I know what you mean.

Congrats! And good luck, if you try to go for the next 15k before the deadline.

I actually believe that both of these could be adapted. If Hoarder tracks how many unique items have been through your shop/gallery, then Super Shop should be able to track how many total items have gone through.

My fear is that they're going to introduce new achievements for these, instead of just repurposing the current ones. While I understand that they'd want to keep the idea of, "these people worked the hardest, so they get something old and special", I would be upset because a) we might all have to start over at 0, so even the people who got the old achievements would have to redo them, and/or b) a lot of us have been working towards them for years, and personally it's been my main drive for completing quests and generally playing the site and not just chatting or browsing.

Even if I had the top tiers of both achievements, I can't imagine being offended that people would be able to get the same achievements out of a different system. At least roll over the Super Shop count, and don't reset the Hoarder number, just start tracking the items going through the new system until it reaches the hoarder number that the user had before.

And darn it, I want the satisfaction of finally achieving it! I hate seeing retired achievements that I was so close to reaching.

I think they should make sure every item has a visible use. All items should be wearable, edible, or collectable. Furniture could be backdrop items and all the items in the grooming parlor should have a function.

I do love the minion zoo idea. There are soooo many cute minions, but I don't buy them because the only place I put them is in my vault.

I think if minion zoos worked more as actual collections a lot of people would be happy... but I would hope they would be removable. That way if we get a new pet and we already had the perfect minion we don't need to buy a second one. ;w;

I'd also be quite happy using the plushie and beanbag collections if you could order the items like the sticker album. My favorite plushies and beanbags have always been put in galleries because I don't want them buried among the ones I don't care for as much. Even if it was something where you could only tick like 50 items to be favorites that show up at the top... or at least let us sort our collections by ID and not name so that sets show up together? (this might be an option and I just didn't realize it) ... maybe give us the option to remove items from collections now, too? ;w;

Eh, this is probably a silly suggestion because I know we need more sP sinks, but maybe a bulk discount on pet treasure slots or something. I use my pet TCs as galleries - if there's something I want to collect and display, I come up with a pet for that theme.

What if galleries were set up like the plushie/beanbag and other collections are now? They seem to run efficiently even with thousands of items. That would reduce the server load a lot (I'd imagine) AND make the users with large galleries happy. Since most collectors don't plan on selling their items anyway, I don't think it'd be too much of an issue to destroy the "item" when adding it to the gallery like the other collections.

Move on to new shops as planned and increase the limit since the galleries won't be taking up those resources.

Seems like a win all around.