I'm agree with you the law is incomplete if it allows hates by any kind of religion or other institute.

Even if your nature is straight like mine, it's still terrified some groups or institutes are allowed by law to spread out some kind of intolerance and hate towards other groups or individuals. Allows hates is fundamental against all kind of democracy and the base for a save life for everybody.

I think that intolerance and hatred should not allowed, not even under the argument that it belongs to freedom of religion or freedom of an own opinion.

I think by freedom of an own opinion there must be also freedom for an open mind and the possibility to learn from each other. More people knows more than one. Freedom for an own opinion or religion, will become pointless if nobody is willing to learn from each other and have too busy with judging about each other. That's sad, because it is a missed opportunity to broaden the inner horizons from each other.

I believe that true freedom is only possible if we respect each other regardless of differences of lifestyle and/or opinions.

Someone can from a religion disagreeing with something, but this is NOT always the same than immediately judge from that same religious basis, against somebody else, who has an other nature than hetero.

Do you have any idea how offensive that flippant attitude is? Cis gay people have historically had a huge problem with transphobia, so you being gay does not exonerate you. Trans people, particularly women, have been assaulted in various ways for being in bathrooms, lockers, etc that corresponded with their genitals, but not the rest of their body. If you think that should be the way, fine, but you could at least treat the situation with some dignity.

So Alabama passed a similar law to NC's dumbass bathroom law. It angers me so much to see people fucking discriminated against. I was discriminated against by this kid who was from the south and he learned I was 1/4 Native American. Like WTF is wrong with people? Why can't they just let people be in peace?

Ugh, Yessss . I haven't been myself for anything but I have a best friend who is Bi and a boy who rides our bus referred to her as that lesbian A**. Like who the fuck is he to say that to her. this kid was 12 tops so he shouldn't have been speaking that way in the first place. I went off on him haha. But, living in the south, I've come to expect conservative criticism though I've never heard of people doing it for being native american. Discrimination based on something you can't control is the worst. Like they were born gay and they were born a different race than you. What did they think that in the womb people get to pick what they want to look like and who they fall in love with? No, no one gets that voice so hating a group of people based on that is insane. Discrimination in general is ridiculous and I don't get how anyone could do that to another person.

My mother was born and raised in the south (I was actually born there but we moved north when I was 2) and my dad? Born in 1953. Yeah they don't like gay marriage, and my dad says 'good for the businesses' after that law passed and my mom was like 'I understand why they did that,' but that's it. Oh but I'm exempt from the law obviously.

If you go on YouTube there are PSA's from the 50's or so about homosexual men. They basically lump them in with pedophiles. And until the 70's it was classified as a mental illness. I'm not surprised, since until the 80's they did not give any anesthesia to babies undergoing surgery because they thought that the babies couldn't feel pain, so they operated on them, including open heart surgeries. I can't even begin to explain how dumb people can be.

People did not choose to be gay/bi/whatever. They were born that way. It's like hating someone who was born with brown hair or blue eyes. It's fucking ridiculous. My best friend is pansexual and I'm questioning my own sexuality, I know people who are trans and genderfluid, but they're all just people to me. I couldn't give a flying fuck what anyone does in the bedroom or if a guy wants to kiss another guy in public, or whatever. That's their own business. No one should have to right to tell anyone else who they can or can't love. It's love for fuck's sake! Shouldn't we be arguing about things that need arguing about? You know, childhood hunger, illiteracy, human trafficking...issues that are actually issues?! I do not, for the life of me, understand why who someone is into sexually is even an issue. Who does that hurt? No one, damnit, love hurts absofuckinglutely no one.

It's like this whole refuckingdamndiculous law about trans people and bathrooms...it's like people equate being trans with being a child molester. There is absolutely not a single correlation between being trans and being a child molester. Hell, more straight people are child molesters than those who are gay/trans/etc. I wish politicians and the rest of the American public would get their stupid heads out of their asses before they start making laws.

Sorry I thought I typed out a response but I was mistaken. Everyone in the community is affected so it should be considered a problem no matter who it is at the time. Using religion to make law decisions in a country that allows religious freedom isn't fair. Everyone has the right to have their own views and ideas and should not be attacked for expressing them. I don't force the Christianity point in arguments like this because I can't force anyone to become a Christian or have the same Ideas as me. I can encourage it and lend advice but forcing isn't Christianly. People are stupid trying to force their faith and views on other people no matter what they are is wrong.
You are absolutely right. They don't get a choice and it isn't fair. It is the same as sending someone out of a store because they are a different race. Perverts will do what they want no matter what law is in place. Touching children sexually is illegal (and absolutely wrong) but perverts still do that. Trans Women and men get put to risk when entering the restroom the law wants them to (as previously mentioned by myself and .)
Personally I don't care what people think I am and if someone guesses wrong I couldn't care less. You think I'm straight? Fantastic. Lesbian? Amazing. Bi? Absolutely wonderful. A guy? Well I don't really dress or look masculine irl most of the time but, hey, I could make a pretty good guy so call me a dude if you please. ;)
No matter what it is you prefer, you're still you. You're no better or worse of a person no matter what you take interest in or who you're in love with. So many people look down on homosexuality and all of the LGBT community and I don't get it. I wouldn't be offended if someone thought my sexuality was one thing but it was another because frankly no one sexuality is better than another and being one way or another doesn't determine my worth. Gay,bi, and trans boys are just as important as straight boys who were born with male genitalia (and the same goes for Lesbian, Bi and Trans girls to straight women who were born with female genitalia.) To hate a group of people for such a thing is absolute bullshit.

Honestly, I think that maybe religion shouldn't be such a big deal as it currently is. I encourage spirituality and freedom of course, but following a doctrine that was written by men after the supposed events happened (even though many of those stories have been disproven by science) isn't very relatable to today's society. The core lessons, like 'don't kill' and 'be nice' are pretty much still the same. I guess what I'm saying is that I think those who really rely on religion are sad. Why tear someone down, why hate and hurt people according to a fable? It's mythology, just using different events to describe the unknown at that time.

Do I believe that there is a god or goddess? No, not really. Maybe there's a presence, but I don't think it has a physical form, and it lightly influences us and the world around us. Do I believe that mankind was made because a god had a whim? No. I believe in the theory of evolution, and that we just developed our higher consciousness along the way that demanded answers in an ignorant or unable to learn at the time world.

I support religious freedom, but I do not support those who gleefully act upon hate and ignorance and prejudice in the name of religion. If it wasn't such a central part of humanity (though still very present), I truly think that we would live in a better world.

Anyways. Going off on a 12 year old isn't very helpful; kids are influenced by their parents and their inability to truly think about consequences until they are adults. It's perpetuating the problem that those who agree with this law are complaining about, which is that other people's beliefs (that the LGBTQ etc community's views) are shoved in their faces and that they must accept it. I don't agree with that assessment, of course, but it still shows that we are no better than them.

I know that trying to help people understand (not make them) is essentially a fruitless endeavor, but yelling back, calling names, etc. just adds to the already toxic atmosphere.

I understand your view and you have every right to believe in evolution and that it is just mythology. I respect that. You have your views and you respect the fact that other people have different ones. That's how everyone should be. I'm not going to rant using the bible to shame you for not thinking and believing in what I do. With or without being a Christian it is not moral to treat people differently and shame them acting like one is better than the other. The bad part about the Christian people (not faith lol) is that a lot of them are hypocrites. They do act with hate and judgement in the name of a faith that tells them to do the opposite. I hate people like that and I think it causes a lot of people to avoid choosing to believe in Christianity. It is sad really. If I was yelled at that I was going to hell by every Christian who I interacted with I probably would have a negative view, too. Christian or not isn't the point though, If people could just stop hating other people the world would be an overall better place. A parent shouldn't make a child feel pressured to be one way or another. To punish a child for hitting would be ok, so long as the punishment was reasonable, but to punish them for being a girl and having a girlfriend isn't right. Love is love. How could someone punish their child for honestly loving, well for kids it's more like crushing on, someone? I couldn't do that if I was a parent. I certainly couldn't disown my far future child over it. How could a mother or father just let go of their child for something the poor kid can't help? Perhaps they don't agree with how they are. That is no reason to hate their child for it. If I was a mom and my kid told me he liked a boy or she liked a girl or he wanted to wear makeup(when he's old enough) or she didn't want a girl haircut I'd be perfectly ok with letting them do that. In fact I'd take the girl to the salon the next day and on the way grab some good eyeliner and maybe a nice color of lipstick for the boy. I can't stand that people think that other people are less than them for how they are born and what their views are.

Unfortunately, I do not think that this world will ever be free of hatred. And again, I do not think Christianity is the problem; it's Christians that choose to interpret the bible a certain way, and that's where the difference lies. Actually, the bible is pretty gruesome in dealing out punishments (not just by god, but by the Christians themselves), so I understand that part. I don't understand people in today's world choose to act based on those stories. Life is too short to hate and control and restrict things that one cannot control. Live and let live; love and let love. So long as it's not hurting anyone, I don't see why people choose to be ignorant. They do not want to listen to the other side, and I'm not just talking about Christians, either.

Indeed, many religions around the world view homosexuality as, well, a sin I suppose. However, not every place viewed homosexuality (or even cross-dressing, at least for performances) as such, and those places have unfortunately adapted to such beliefs, at least for the most part.

I think that religion can be a very good thing for people; sadly, the people who hate the most are the loudest and misrepresent such religions or beliefs. I don't think people should accept a story written hundreds of years afterwards, or that science has disproven, at face value. I think that religion and science can peacefully co-exist concurrently.

For example, reading a passage from the bible and explaining that though this is fiction, one should always take good lessons to heart. I don't think that people who truly rely on religion are happy with themselves; people put others on pedestals when really, they should learn to cope and ask for help. Religion should be about helping others, accepting others--or at least accepting that other people have different views and to let them be. It shouldn't be about (intense) worship or wishing, and I think that many people have forgotten that. Become a strong person through religion, and be thankful to the followers of that religion that helped you.

Christianity has had many changes in its long history, and the most important are yet to come.

So, I don't think religion should be abolished; I think it shouldn't be an enormous influence for sure, at least in some parts for some people. Not everyone follows the same path, and we must learn to not just accept it, but acknowledge that it is there, and it is not your own path to control. Not you, specifically; I'm using the collective term, of course.

You're not the only Christian that has those beliefs, either, so I hope you don't feel despair or loneliness. In fact, the Universal Unitarian church in my city supports the LGBTQ etc community, and many members are gay themselves. And the pastor or whatever (so many different terms!), she's very knowledgeable about other religions and uses those lessons and cultures as well as Christianity in the same hand, as well as science itself. She doesn't rely solely on the bible or its culture, and I really wish others would use such practices themselves. My dad and I went to that church a couple of times and even he, someone who really doesn't like organized religion (though he supports it?) liked it and was very happy and came away learning something new and applicable in the real world.

I understand that. People do twist the bible and it is confusing. My church encourages love rather than fire and brimstone. I've been going around two years now and the only time we've ever even discussed hell was with the preachers son who does in depth study of the bible and the translation in his college. I feel like to be devoted to a faith is a good thing if one does it correctly. strengthening oneself through it as you mentioned is great. lots of Christians do the wrong thing, all of us do actually according to our belief, but all sins are weighed the same. If that is so then shouldn't everyone not be able to marry? Can a woman who had premarital sex be denied the right to marry? Can a Man with tattoos be unable to wed? In the eyes of most Christians (aside from the very very extreme ones) these are ok. They are both considered sin in the bible but they still see it as a lesser sin. This is an example of what I mean when I say they twist the bible. Its ok by most for every other sinner to marry but heaven forbid a gay couple get married. Innocent love should be encouraged not condemned! I know the old testament gives old ways of dealing with things in Christianity, the teachings in the new testament is what a person should strive to be like. The old testament gives lessons that are good to follow but following the practices of the old testament isn't always the best to do. God won't strike anyone down for being gay.
I live in the south, like waay south. Finding people to have similar ideas (especially in older adults) is hard. I have friends who agree on most of my ideas but I have yet to see anyone I know disagree with the bathroom laws aside from my sister (but she doesn't feel nearly as strongly about it.) I feel like that shows how close minded people can be, especially in my region.
I like that you respect religion and religious people. Many atheists don't and in the same way lots of religious people (particularly Christians) look down on those that aren't religious. Forcing one's beliefs on another person no matter what it is, is not the way to get people to see one's side and it is uncalled for to put such standards up on other people.
Hate won't ever stop, I know that for sure. I just wish it would die down and that people could realize what they say and do does to other people. There's just so many people who do these things and it is disheartening. What pleasure does it give that they would wish to offend and hurt other people intentionally. What about love is so bad?

Actually, I'm not an atheist--I'm an agnostic ;) I don't believe in one religion's idea of a god or goddess, but do think that there may be a presence out there somewhat similar to such idols, though without a physical presence. Honestly I kinda consider atheism a religion anyways lol.

I just think that people don't, or are unwilling, to relate to others in such situations as gay marriage (like my dad). There are a lot of Christians who support the bathroom and anti-gay marriage laws, but support the LGBTQ etc community like my mom. Also, there are some Christians who have no problem with homosexuals... as long as they don't engage in homosexual relations lol. It's apparently not a sin then to some people.

The thing is people pick and choose things from the bible to respect and defend, and do so in a harmful way, physically and/or mentally. Christians believe in the 10 commandments basically as the top sins and they are taught as such. I remember in religion (it was an afterschool program that taught kids from kindergarten until 10th grade, so from communion to confirmation, and we just called it religion instead of religion class or Catholic class) that we never learned to hate people or who they are born as, but at the time I did reject everything about it in 7th and 8th grade as I was going through traumatic experiences, and my mother was forcing me to go there (until finally in 9th grade I stopped).

So, uh, yeah. I was baptized and went through communion and everything but I didn't ever think of the events in the bible as real events, so maybe that was the core issue. Like how Catholics believe wine and those wafers are the blood and body of Jesus, not just representative of such. Then I went through the pagan phase after my atheism years, and now I still kinda consider myself a pagan as I believe in mother nature as more than just the earth, and practice tarot card and rune readings (which are very accurate). Plus I am an empath, so I'm very affected by the emotions of others.

I don't know where the future of this country is going, but I hope that we can all move forward together one day, with happiness and no ill will towards others. I don't know if those laws will be reversed, but I hope so.

ah, sorry for the confusion (I wasn't sure I apologize for guessing incorrectly.) They do pick what they want. It's easy for them to do and they think that they instantly become right if they can find a way to make it sound like the bible says so. I do believe what the bible says myself but not always what preachers preach. We're non denominational at my church so we just study and talk. We all listen to each other and share ideas while respecting others. I think that is how everyone should be in religious or a non religious setting lol. I hope the laws are determined to be unconstitutional as well. They are not fair and it is a shame anyone considered it in the first place. America is supposed to be a place free of discrimination and a place for people to believe and do things as they wish.

It's all good, nothing to apologize for. I've read some articles that say it would be very hard to overrule those laws, but IDK. I hope they are found to be unconstitutional as well, and get their federal funding suspended entirely. I hate that innocent people, actually that anyone, hateful or peaceful, might suffer because of this situation, whether in the workplace or otherwise.

Alrighty :D.I hope it isn't too hard and that it doesn't take years to do. You're right no one should suffer for this. I'm just glad the Georgia governor vetoed the law. Suddenly loving the governor despite not even knowing his name lol.

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OH MY GLOB FFS PEOPLE is my initial response, followed by headdesk, a big sigh, and, once the anger passes, depression because I feel so bad for people who are suffering from this awful law, and for those who feel emboldened by it and thus react in such ways.

I just don't understand, and I suppose I never will, why a man followed a woman into the bathroom to check her sex, not her gender, is allowed to continue this menacing trend.

And wasn't Joey's video supposedly proven as a hoax?

In fact, those 'stories' that people hear about trans people raping women or abusing their 'bathroom privileges' all fake claims, which of course O'Reilly ignored, not bothering to fact-check. A spin-free show my fat ass.

I find myself wondering where all the feminists on Subeta are? Everyone is commiserating with the transgenders, but I have not heard ONE person here speak up about BORN WOMEN. Do they not matter at all? Are their feelings, their sense of security, their right to privacy, irrelevant? Must they once again take a back seat to a MAN who claims he's really a woman? What's really ironic in all this is that feminists have spent YEARS making the point that there are no differences in male and female brains, but now all that effort seems to have been for nothing.

Following this logic, should we say that a woman that claims to be a man is against their security? their right to privacy? I'm not sure where feminism has something to do with basic human rights ... Feminism stands for equality. Denying an identity or a bathroom is against feminism. So I'm confused by your statement.

If someone enter my bathroom stall and watch me pee I don't give a damn if you are a man, a woman, a chicken or anything else - respect my privacy. I know a lot of tribes that do not have separate bathroom or separate washing area and the rate of rape etc is not as big as the numbers from the US or elsewhere.

I had the chance to go into a gender-neutral bathroom. I've seen transgenders, drag, questionning people (and else) and I have never feared for my life.

What makes me uncomfortable about the LGBT debate is that often, the community itself forget other people. They forget agenders and such, just like asexual are erased. But that's another thing and I won't touch there yet C:

I believe that my statement is correct. I also thank you for bringing this up.

First off, I would like to point out that, as a psychologist who has studied neuropsychology, a man's brain and a woman's brain actually are slightly different. Not that we are not smart or that we are incapable of the same things men can do intellectually, but there are differences.

Second, I am most definitely a feminist. I support a woman's right to privacy, to vote, to drive, to make the choice to get married or have an abortion or be a rocket scientist. I also support a men's rights, too.

There is no irony here, unless you count yourself spouting about a woman's rights like no one else has those some damn rights.

My grandmother was a feminist and fought for her place in the world, and to make sure other women feel comfortable and safe as well. It saddens me to think that people can be so full of hate that they refuse to try to empathize with another's plight.

They really do seem to forget, which is sad. In high school we only had the GSA, or the gay-straight alliance, and no one ever talked about pansexuality, asexuality, gender fluidity or anything and everything in between.