wow o-o I'm pretty sure both of my galleries are below the limit. I haven't moved them yet but I might later, kinda hoping they roll out an easy transfer option soon haha.

Kind of seeing it like a spring clean. I'm lucky in that I don't excessively hoard though.

An easy transfer option would definitely be useful.

I know the comments made here are with respect and love for your fellow battlers. But speaking for the other side -- which has remained noticeably quiet on this thread -- there are real concerns over any changes, and they are legitimate. Aside from the usual chaos and calamity that happens every time Subeta makes any sort of change, many users simply can't deal with tens of thousands of items in a few days. When, they are told, their shops will simply not be accessible except to withdraw items. No worries. They will get a new shop which will hold as much as their inventory. So everything is fine. Staff said so.

I think people will get frustrated trying to deal with the mayhem so they will simply take a short break and check back later when they think things will have improved. The history of this site being what it is, they will either eventually give up on checking back since "SOON" gets tiresome after the Nth time hearing it, or they will rage quit at some point when the lags and crashes continue along with all the new bugs and inaccessible shop inventory.

I complete quests largely based upon my shop inventory, so most likely I will not be questing nearly as much once the new rules go into effect. I am not alone in this. Decreased quests means decreased demand. Economy starts to tank, people panic. Yeah, no worries. I will use my new shop to store things from the few quests -- like bqs -- that I do end up completing. Until it fills up after a few days.

On the plus side, since they "fixed" the new wardrobe 3 years ago, it has been running perfectly. Now the shops will be easier to use too! :)

PS -- Wanna buy some pants? I'll sell you some, real cheap! ROFL

Yes there are real concerns in there but there's a whole lot of straight up panic and misinformation flying around too. The initial limits are indeed low. This won't last though. This isn't as big of a task in scale as the wardrobe at all. Not even close. Once things settle in, limits will be raised. They just started off low because it's easier for them to raise them than it is to lower them, and they may just be gathering data. Things will get worked out though.

SOON -- like the battle week we were promised 2 years ago? Yeah, things will get worked out. SOON!

Sorry about the late response, but I kept getting 502s.

I could give a hoot what makes it easier for staff. It makes no sense that those low limits are for their benefit. It makes more sense that they're doing it this way so once they set the final limits people will be happy they at least have X amount of space instead of being furious that the space they do have has been cut by 95%. And I wouldn't be so upset except that I suspect this is all because K wants to cut costs -- he doesn't like to pay for servers. Probably cuts into the travel budget.

I don't know anything about a battle week we were promised. you know battling always gets the shaft when something has to go though. something that affects the entire site so dramatically will get more attention though. there's a lot of negative sentiment going around that's just people's fears and worries, and it's actually baseless worrying. Let's save the panic until they actually stop caring about it instead of before when we haven't even given the change a chance. since when does actually potentially fixing a problem = cutting costs just so Keith can travel? leaving shops unbounded is an incredible oversight by him in the first place, they really do need a limit. I have no clue why they started off so god awfully low on the limits, but they will go up.

I get both sides of the argument. I'm not worried at the moment as staff have said they'll change the limits - but the current one is totally unrealistic and reflects badly on the management. It makes them look totally out of touch. I also think the time scale is too tight. To see such a cataclysmic change happen over three weeks is strange, and screams of the impulse decisions we've come to know and dread over the years.

And furthermore, staff have been terrible in clearing up the consequences of these actions. As an avid wardrobe user... I'd say it's about 75% of the way there. But we've seen no progress in fixing that remaining 25% for months. It's the half-baked measures which worry me the most. I think the actions are for the best, but the way that staff will implement them worries me.

It makes more sense to have people step down gradually. I think they're setting up for a crash. Once I have a new shop full from questing -- which will take less than a week -- I can't use my old shops -- so what's the point? I'll just end up taking a break until the site catches up with where I want to be. Unless I get used to not being here because it takes them so long to get it together. Or they simply won't let me have the shop space I want/need. Which will be difficult to work around and this place is already a huge pain as it is.

I also don't like how it seems like they're going to push people to have GAs so they can put things in their shops. 250 vs 500. The daily vend limits? lol Here we go with Pay2Play again. At least this time they're screwing everyone over instead of just the battlers. I'll hang around and hope like hell that i'm wrong... but in the meantime, yes -- I'm going to worry. I'm worried that all of the time, sweat, and money I've poured into this site is for nothing. This is something I really want to be wrong about.

And I told you why they are starting out so low -- so they can "compromise" at some other ridiculously low number and it will appease the masses. If they just told people now that 1000 is the limit -- people would still lose their minds like they are now. If they can get people to play along at 250/500 -- well then 1K is quite a bit of "giving" from their end, isn't it?

it may have made more sense to do it differently, it does seem like a short time frame to get everything changed over, but eh nothing we can do about that now. GAs have such limited benefits as it is, I don't mind that people actually have some advantages if they buy them.

honestly they probably started out so low because the numbers sounded good and no one thought realistically how low they were. like really I'm hoping that's what it was, because if someone picked those numbers and actually thought they might be good numbers to stick with, they need to spend a minute being a real user again. sometimes I feel like staff can be a bit out of touch with the everyday user experience.

in case you didn't see this post, he didn't post it as an admin for some reason.

I don't mind the low limit because it will be raised. What I don't like is not having a "remove all" in place before starting this change. I will put things in my shop and make lots of money AND BUY ALL THE TOMES. And raise my battle pet's stats.

I've been seeing posts like that since I joined. Lag is still an issue -- although not nearly as bad as it was. Crashing is still an issue. The cron issues even still flare up from time to time. Everything else is either still broken/not working right, or it has become broken. That is actually the normal state of things & always has been ever since I've been a member. The only major improvement I can think of that I feel was really done right with the user in mind is the new & improved bqs. (And even those still glitch from time to time, but 'tis minor.) But not to worry because things will be so much better SOON... 'cause that's what K said. That's what K always says. What else can he say?

Yeah I get that. But I've been here for long enough to know how it goes. There's some really small, simple tweaks that would take a couple of hours and improve the experience massively. Take the BC, even, and all the fabled improvements we've been promised for years. Keith has been noticeably absent for months now, and to see him appear to announce this massive overhaul... it worries me, and for valid reasons. Because I know that however quickly and enthusiastically he picks up a project, two months down the line, all progress has vanished and there's radio silence from staff.

I don't buy into the GA conspiracies (with CSC so expensive I don't see any other reason to run them, tbh, bar an autoprice every few months) or low limit scheming or whatever. I don't think staff are that devious. But there's definitely a track record that should leave us cautious.

and these things will be an ongoing issue. it's what happens when you have a website with ~5k daily users, limited funds, and even more limited staff. Expecting perfection and then having no understanding when a problem arises is just a fault of the user. Sure there are a lot of things that need fixed and it seems like nothing gets fixed in the first place, but when they do propose a fix for a major issue, something like this happens and there's mass panic in the userbase.

As far as I know, Keith has been very active behind the scenes while not being on the site at all. I don't know about the wardrobe as I don't use it much, and I think it probably has been pushed onto the backburner and if any changes have been made to it, they haven't been pushed in awhile. as far as I know for this change, Grace has been working on it since last week or the week before when we had a streak of 502s? This isn't a huge scale project, it's buying something from a shop. I don't expect them to drop it after awhile because it's some of the most basic functionality a petsite has.

Not necessarily. Other pet sites are not like this. Do they face the same issues? Yes. Do they handle things the same way? Not really.

They say they will do something and then they do it. When something needs to be fixed, they fix it. When major code rewrites go on, they give regular updates showing what they have done, what is in progress, and what is still to do -- with aprx timelines when feasible. SOON doesn't get said unless it is given in a context -- a few days or whatever. Then things that were promised actually happen WHEN they are supposed to. The site doesn't self-destruct every time something is changed. When they think about major overhauls/changes that will affect gameplay -- like the shop system -- they get user feedback and ideas before they do anything. Then they float the ideas and get more feedback before finalizing any major project like that. Then it gets done. Do they ever make mistakes? Yep. They own it. They apologize for it. They FIX it for real and the same mistake doesn't happen again. Does this sound like Subeta to you? Me neither. It could describe a few other sites I know... That said, none of those other sites have you. And you (and the other users) are why I keep coming back. :)

Well, when Keith sais something won't ever ever happen (again), I don't really believe it. Never say never on Subeta :D I've not been actively hoarding my books, but I still had some from the last reading drive. So I guess now's the time to get rid of them. Then watch them organize a Reading Drive two months from now :P

Unlocked Speedy! Have a fast pet.

Just hit 4500 speed.

You know, the small shops might not be such a bad idea. Everytime when there's a plot/event or a new feature like the baking that was introduced not so long ago, any associated items skyrocket in price. And basically if you weren't online when the news announcement came out, you'll have to pay one million SP to get your item because all the cheaper ones got bought out already. But with the new system, people will probably put their stuff in the vault (or frag it), and they'll see the news announcement and then proceed to take items out of their vault into their shop to make a profit. This leads to a more equal supply over the day, and might lower the price spikes a bit?

Oh no the shop and galleries talk has made it to this forum too now D:

I feel the same way as you do, like this is just spring cleaning. Time to thin out some things I have been sitting on. People are just getting so worked up about it before anything has even happened. I can understand getting upset when it's active and something breaks, but all they have done is made an announcement.

Not all of the tomes! :( can I buy some of the tomes?

Congratulations :D

You've both made really great points.

On subeta, "never" just means not today :P and remember that right after they told us there would never be another RD, they gave us a survey asking questions about what we wanted on the next RD

congrats on the ach!

4 of my 10 shops are over the 500 limit for items. Only 1 of those 4 shops has less than 1k items but that is the one I autoprice daily, so it can't be a gallery. I'm not moving anything into the new shops until they really figure out what is going on