Let me first say that I do appreciate the effort to make the final boss more inclusive this time around instead of the "Hardcore Battlers Only: Casual Fighters Need Not Apply" vibe of previous plot bosses. However, I must agree that the forge quests are just a little on the pricey side at step 1. Maybe they should be retooled to ask for no more than two elixirs at a time instead of the possibility of being asked for upwards of three or four at a time.

I have no qualms about shelling out 300k-400k on the first stage. I don't even mind buying up and turning in the fire-related items to reduce the amount of time it takes to stoke the forge. The main problem is that--while this boss exhibits several good strides toward making the endgame of the plot more inclusive--getting hit with a quest that asks for four 120k-200k items in a row and then having to wait 15 minutes if you decline only to get the same raw deal the next time around is not all that fun.

This boss is a good first step toward final bosses that can be fun for every user, but there is definitely some room for improvement here. Personally, I still advocate for the idea of a final boss for each individual user that you can only beat once and scales in power and prize quality depending on how strong the pet you battle and defeat it with is...But, this is the option that was chosen over that, so it'll have to do.

I'm sure that if you were to really get into battling, you would have shelled more for the plot than for a couple of 250K quests.

You are a gift to us all.

My pet was locked out of battling for part of the evening. So, I had to do quests to balance it out.

my battle pet is a total wimp (i just started training a few weeks ago) so I've been trying to do my part with quests AND battles... I'm not even putting a dent in her, but I'm still participating, so I guess I'm just not understanding where people are getting the idea that they HAVE to spend to help.

Personally, if people are not at ease with spending, they can just lose over and over and over. This is what I'll probably do with the other phases. :D

It's just for fun.

We have battling parts in pretty much every plot, and yet, people are always sure that their tier 2 pet will be fine for everything and they get mad when it doesn't. Battling is expensive, a lot more expensive than a 250K quest!

Standalone, sure, I can see the logic in it. I think it's flawed, and in fact that does not sound AT ALL like what you described on your suggestion thread - which was "Omg I almost donated this CW that means the world to me and is inexplicably in my inventory instead of somewhere safe, like the wardrobe" - but yes, it's a form of logic. However, that logic suggests that you're all for the donation step of the plot being more expensive, what with your sudden desire to equalize the value of Rares and Super Rares. Except for the fact that people will still only buy the cheapest things, and that will not be Rares or Super Rares. If it was actually an argument to help raise the value of those rare items, then surely one must acknowledge that driving up their value will inherently increase the cost of plot participation, which, again, you're also here complaining about.

I'm not chomping at the bit to make you look ignorant, lazy, or in any way a lesser person for either of these opinions, because I rather like you, in my creepy forum-lurker way. I am, however, desperately frustrated that you seem not to recognize that your somewhat weakly substantiated claim of one stance contradicts the other stance.

haha that's what I was doing. My poor Samus is getting destroyed! I don't mind taking the loss if it means I'm participating and I'll have a chance at some prizes. I know that my battling isn't helping so I decided to make a few weapons too. I'm actually having fun with this, even though spending when I didn't plan to isn't my fave thing. I'm just so excited to see what kind of prizes we'll get, so I'm doing everything I can.

Also I don't know why everyone is acting like spending 500k is a lot. If you can make a mil a day on quests, it's chump change. Heck, even a million is chump change (and makes me feel sad that I'm poor, but oh well, that's the reality of the subetan economy)

People are willing to drop millions on wearables, but not 500k on the plot that has prizes at the end, I don't get it. It's not like you won't get something for it :O

In almost every single event Subeta has done, there always seems to be battling involved. I realized this a while back and started to train my pet to get some battling prizes for next time. Why is it that every time battling is involved, people complain that they can't battle?

Oh, but now that there's a chance for you to get the prizes that battlers would have gotten, you're complaining that it's too expensive? Seriously? You know what was expensive? Training up my pet. Sure I'm only tier 7, but at least I did something about my lack of getting prizes. You don't even have to train everyday, you could be lazy about it (like I can sometimes be) and still be at a better position than someone who hasn't trained at all.

It's optional to even spend your sP too. If you think it's too expensive, don't do it? I'm broke as hell, but I still found the sP to do at least one quest.

you put in the sp and effort now, then you get the prizes later that usually easily recuperate the losses.

i dont understand the instant gratification logic. plots are actually profitable for most (if not all).

I'm this exact same way, my pet is also tier 7 right now but when I participated in my first gelatin war I was sad that my pet could barely do anything. Ever since then I've been training every day so he'll do better the next time it happens. All the time I train, it's in the back of my mind: gelatin wars and future plot battling.

Battling is typically part of a plot, actually it is always the thing that comes at the end of the plot, yet people seem surprised when it comes up. Just bothering to click the train button is good preparation.

You did exactly what a sound person would. Way to go, to both of you.

I'm tier 10 and I barely ever train anymore, but you know, I have fun. I prepared myself and I can easily beat anything up to the low rungs of extremely hard. Because I took the time to prepare myself.

The Goo Hund could be defeated with a untrained pet. The only pet of mine that cannot defeat the Goo Hund is Mayday, because he got 0 HP permanently.

yes it is expensive. new users and those with less than 100k sp will have a hard time participating in these steps.

it would be nice if the staff had temporary changed the shops related to the connor recipe so more items with higher quantities (enough quantities to prevent those restockers from overinflating the items)will be available to the users. would be win for the staff too since they r about sp sinks lol.

also that jules bribe thing is ridiculous. i think it should be a low equal bribe for all timezone. i believed i only paid 50k for that. i think that's unfair and excessive that people should be made to pay any higher than that.

Same here. Except for the fact that my Kuramayouko is "only" Tier 4 (nearing Tier 5). Right now I'm struggling with that fish...

I joined subeta September last year and was a bit frustrated that I couldn't do much in the Morostide plot we had when it came to battling. And that's why I started training so I'd be prepared for future plots and battles. On top of that, even if I'm trying save up enough sP for my WL items, I'll gladly spend sP on the plot (but not much more than necessary...) because I know that this specific plot/event is a one-time-only thing. And my WL items won't run anywhere, so I don't bother...

PS: English is not my native language and it's quite late my time. So I apologize if my writing sounds weird ^^"

you still chose to train instead of doing nothing, so even if you're tier 4, I call this an achievement you should be proud of

P.S. : English is not my first language either, no worries

No, new users won´t have a hard time. They can make 2-3 mil. sp each day without trouble even on the day they registered. They just have to play Caliph's Tomb ten times (200K sp) and Matlal (250k sp without any problem). That´s less than an hour of playing. With this money they do the quests. They start with Sarah, Wiz, Mori/Nori and Maleria. After those quests they should have more than enough sp to do Saggi. On the first day. Then they do Major Drill. They open their own shop and sell the items they don´t want to keep. That´s probably less than 3 hours of playing. They will have enough sp to participate.
I don´t see any reason why new users should have a problem. Until they are lazy and do not want to make a little effort.

IDK why people think we all should have an equal chance here

Obviously people that put more effort into the plot should get better rewards. What's the point of even having a plot if they give the same prizes to everyone

So, newbies? Yeah, they won't score as well as veterans. But they're newbies, they're not supposed to

I'd actually like to point out that I spent 2 mil just HEALING my pet for fighting the big boss. I think having a money pit on the other side for the non-battlers seems more than fair.

Thank you!

It seems like common sense, if you find yourself unable to fight as well as you want to, you have to train to get better. Not being able to do something is motivation to better yourself, at least to me it is. There's no way my pet can touch the new dragon-like opponent but that means that I have to keep training so one day I can battle something with those stats.

Personally, I don't find battling enjoyable at all, but I know for a fact that I'm going to like the special drops of SOME challenger, or the prizes of some plot, and I'd rather click the train button now so I can get the drops/prizes myself later, than to sit around and complain and wonder why things aren't being handed over to me.

There have been high level challenger drops in the past that I really liked and wasn't able to get, because I was still a "newbie" with training, and that sucks. We all have had to go through that. But there's literally nothing else to do other than prepare for next time or shell out the sP to buy the prize. And I feel like being prepared would be more beneficial than not training and just buying what I miss.

Sorry for the huge rant I just hate it when there are people who don't prepare, but know they have to, and still don't do it, and then complain. Dx

Admittedly I was a little miffed that I kept having to spend sP, but that's just because I'm cheap. Once you think about it for a while, it does make sense, though I would have preferred the weapon recipe to have been an actual sink rather than having to buy off of other users.

I'm just glad that there is some kind of alternative for battling, because I find battling confusing as all hell and don't really want to get involved in it, lol.

yeah paying 36K to heal after every loss is lovely. * hundreds of losses

I'm doing both Connor/Mathis quest and battling. Honestly, considering that battlers drop millions on boosters, weapons, and scrolls to train, the few measly amounts of sP I drop for the plot is nothing compared to that. I prefer spending 500k for Connor than the 5m to buy another Cobalt Eternal.

Also, I'm poor as hell, and that's just from laziness and I still don't mind tossing some money.