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Mar 21, 2015 11 years ago
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Water and dark blockers are still rather pricy for T10+ weapons.

The dark blocking Maniacal Essence is really useful, but it's been a while without a jelly fight so I don't see any in trades. It's 500m or more, and usually one of the components (Hydragellos Maniacal Core) just goes for that (and takes forever to sell because that's expensive).

There's also the Tempestuous Bladed Gauntlet which blocks 35 light and 35 water, heals 9%, and have 3 mod slots, but it's a past boss prize so not cheap. It's pretty decent against prodigy if you can avoid being critically hit.

The DGR is meh. It's good for Saggi, but doesn't really heal much despite the 200hp heal blessing. People can get the weapon by hitting the stat cap.

The other T11 weapons are original godlies so that's like nevermind.

Mar 21, 2015 11 years ago
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I think that Natasha is probably the best option too. If i were tier 11 today i would go buy csc to sell to get one but the way my stats are i would say i have a month or so till then so i have time to get my ducks in a row.

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Mar 21, 2015 11 years ago
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Many impossible opponents (or just opponents in general) do a lot of fire and dark, so that makes sense especially as you'll want to make battle quests easier.

It's a bit surprising that Natasha is much more expensive than the Ether in the MC, but it's worth every sP because fire blocking is really useful.

Mar 21, 2015 11 years ago
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I have to disagree about adding a fire blocker to your set. In my opinion both P-Bow and Natasha are two of the most over-priced and over-rated weapons. I have no problems with any challenger and I have never had either in my set. You have two great constant attacking weapons already. If you're looking to spend more on your pet you should work on intelligence.

When you have intelligence and come across challengers that deal lots of dark and fire icons you can kill two birds with one stone by using Fatal Fire Scrolls. They're currently 8-9 million each which seems like a lot. But buying 10 of them is still 1/5th cheaper than buying a P-Bow. They block "all" dark and fire which makes them so good against so many challengers.

Mar 21, 2015 11 years ago
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Oooh thank you for that advice. I will be buying books after i finish my quests and i will make a few of those scrolls when i am done. I cannot afford Natasha and really dont like the sound of how unpredictable P-Bow is so i was going to save till i reach tier 11 xD

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Mar 21, 2015 11 years ago
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You can't make them unfortunately, they are a prize from beating Cursed Effigy Tormented 5x. If you don't have him unlocked yet you need an Iron Fireside Lantern. If you've beaten him you might already have one sitting around.

When the stat cap is raised, "SOON", they are planning to reset wins on all the challengers. When this happens and people once again beat Cursed Effigy Tormented there should be more scrolls for sale and hopefully at a cheaper price. Only problem is we have no idea when "SOON" is.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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I dont have him unlocked but he is fun to beat in battle quests. A friend of mine told me to buy the item from the MC when it was available but that was before i became a battler xD

Update: I have him unlocked now xD so i will try to get him to 5 wins before wins are reset

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Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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Intel's fairly expensive, unless you get them in conjunction with other stats from tomes. It also takes a while to save up sP and boosters to get that much intel, whereas her main pet's approaching T11 and can use the weapons right away (although I agree the fire blockers are on the pricier side). Don't you need at least 5 of them if not 10 Fatal Fire scrolls, or they will run out? But having many once per battle scrolls is always useful and every pet should work on improving intel in the longer run.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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Challengers are designed based on weapons that people use most frequently. since fire blockers are common, they are a common icon. Not having one in your set and saying to throw 10 opb scrolls in your set to combat fire is an odd strategy imo. Instead of using your ap on freezers and healing, using it on easily blockable defense is inefficient.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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10 is a pretty good number. Intel is expensive but if you want to compete with the top challengers you need the intel anyway.

How many of the top challengers can actually be frozen? And if they are already frozen, why do you need to block fire in the first place? They can't attack you when they're frozen. Consider Fatal Fires to be like Cobalt Eternals, except they block the two main icons 100% of the time instead of 5 icons 66% of the time. They do 24 icons of damage which is more damage than most scrolls. It's odd they are not used more.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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Of the top three hardest challengers, two are freezable. Scrolls run out though. If they do enough fire icons, you should have a weapon that blocks it.

If we get a challenger who primarily does fire icons that has 35k+ hp, 10 scrolls won't suffice. It just makes sense to have a weapon do the defense. This frees up your AP to allow for freezing, or gift of forj scrolls, or bomb scrolls, or anything so you aren't so committed to always using one scroll.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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Freezing Scrolls and Bomb Scrolls also run out, but that is why everyone has one constant scroll in their set. I would consider the top 3 challengers Baenwurath, Mutant Scientist, and Meatslab.

Baenwurath: Freezing disabled. Early game deals light, physical and earth icons. Fine. Block light and earth and hope your Mecha blessing blocks enough physical to live. Late game deals physical, light, earth, fire, dark and magma. These are all substantial icons that need a block. Obviously you can't block them all but blocking 4 of them goes a long way. This is from personal experience. If you save 10-15-20 fatal fire scrolls until about halfway through the battle he is much easier.

Mutant Scientist: Freezable until blessing but with 35k HP you can't freeze-kill to death. Main icons are dark, earth and water. Physical, fire and magma secondary. If you use an earth and water blocker then fatal fires you are blocking all 3 main icons and a secondary icon. Mecha blessing takes care of some physical too.

Meatslab: Freezing disabled. Main icons are dark, fire, magma and physical. Block magma and physical, use fatal fires. 4 main icons blocked.

All OPB scrolls run out eventually. Fatal Fires are cheaper and use less AP. Fatal Fire = 10 AP Shriek = 15 Smasher = 16 Gift = 15 Morosbane = 15 Lucky = 20 They are more efficient because you can equip more of them than any of those scrolls. And they are actually buyable unlike any of those scrolls.

I understand what you're saying about them running out and then you're stuck with a constant scroll and 2 weapons. But you're going to be in the same situation with any scroll you use. With the amount of blocking they can do early it should put you in a better position having not used your blockers / healers yet when they run out.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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Baenwurath is not freezing disabled. His blessing is freeze immune. 10-15-20 fatal fire scrolls = 100-200 AP. the top 100 pets on the site have ~ 140 AP. Not everyone can pull this off.

Mutant Scientist is much easier if you chain freeze her and get her hp lower I recently beat her, having a dark blocker helps, and I'd prefer healing with a scroll and having weapons that do the correct defense. I didn't notice that she did fire often enough.

Meatslab I can see the scrolls being useful. You can blast away all of his physical icons though if you're lucky. I still like having the extra heal on scrolls though.

Lucky is 19 AP.

I still think in general, freezing scrolls are better, you get a free defenseless turn. You can heal on this turn with your two weapons and get a full attack against someone. This obviously does not apply to freeze immune people though.

I still don't think that the scroll warrants the dismissal of natasha/pbow, as they have so much utility. is only t10, almost t11. The weapons have use before the last three challengers. She also has 36 AP, so she's much closer to buying natasha than having enough AP to handle what you are suggesting.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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All of Baenwurath's weapons activate his blessing 100%. Unless you blast the two weapons he uses on his first turn and chain freeze him from there, he is freezing disabled. Only the top 25-30 pets have beaten him at least once before and there is a reason. You need the intel regardless of what your strategy is.

Mutant Sceintist - you need how much AP and how many freezing scrolls to do that? All strategies require intel. I think investing in intel has more utility than buying a weapon worth 400m that blocks one icon. Most challengers before those three can be chain frozen. Exceptions are Chase who you'd ideally block wind, light and physical against, and Forj who you'd ideally use P-Staff and Unstable Sample Syringe against. I'm not knocking freezing scrolls, they make battling easy. There are times when you need freezing scrolls and times when you don't. You need intel for all challengers.

If you want to be a top battler, and seems very eager, then you're going to need to get your intel up. Getting 20 fatal fires (~200m to 250m) is cheaper than a P-Bow or two freezing scrolls or a Natasha. Fire block is not essential for any challenger she is about to face. I can't see any.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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I don't mean to kill Mutant in a chain freeze, I just think it's more effective to freeze her for as much as you can.

You obviously have a different strategy. It may work, but I think it is easier to have a weapon that blocks fire and leaves you open to do whatever you want with scrolls.

and I am not knocking the importance of getting intel up. it is much harder to get that much AP and that many scrolls for her than it is to work with what she has and buy a weapon which most battlers will recommend.

uhh isn't Slaglord very fire based?

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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I think the focus for should be beating the rest of the challengers in battle quests, with Prodigy being an exception as now you can skip beating it is not as important as it used to be. The hardest unlockable challengers should be something to consider but not right away.

The stats (and any missed ones) for the year has more valuation than her budget so might as well try to make the best of what to spend.

If she can beat General Error (now she has a Swashbuckle it should be possible), Chase, and Maleria's Familiar then she's doing very well. The Fatal Fire scrolls can work on the latter two opponents, but she'll have to boost lots of intel and her pet still has a long way to go. That's going to require like a billion's worth of boosters.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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I find Natasha quite useful against both Chase and pink kitty. especially chase with the bullets.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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Yeah, Natasha's quite versatile when you can't equip a bunch of blocking scrolls. There may be the rare possibility that a challenger has scrolls disabled so you'll need plan B.

Chase is a klepto brat. I use Turkey Quill and generate a bunch of Turkey Elixirs instead, because I have terrible luck with the natural blessing. Thieves tend to steal something the moment the blessing decides to go to sleep.

The kitty does lots of dark and earth, so I find the Skelly staff really useful for it.

About freezing, only Prodigy and Crawbeast really are vulnerable to it through the battle. Otherwise, it's just how many freezes you can do in the beginning of the battle so you can get your blessing up and knock off some hp before you can't freeze the challenger anymore because their blessings are nearly perpetual.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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that is actually a good gimmick they should consider, scrolls disabled.

turkey quill is a good idea xD I don't use natural blessing. I use natasha and I have three other attackers in my set for him, I usually remove my pquill when I remember.

I also really find skull staff useful for kitty, and crawbeast. also very useful against mutant. I have been commenting Kattalia for awhile and suggested it already. Dark and earth are common icons in combination. I also like tempestuous gauntlet for the same reason, light and water go well together, useful for sanddragon, crawbeast, prodigy and saggi. and probably other opponents.

Her Syringe is good for the snow fairy, which is about the only challenger we have neglected to mention that is in BQs. If she can get to the snow fairy, I feel that she should be able to beat her, especially with the mutant syringe.

Mar 22, 2015 11 years ago
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arent challengers are now dealing high amounts in 3-4 icons (probably more in some)?

basically its a pick 2 to block. and try to contain the rest.

I personally side with Survivor's argument more, since most of the other full (or almost full) blockers are given/earned (MW, ME, Cronus, P-Staff, DGR, etc) so i dont really spend sp on weapons.

There are too many arguments and factors to deciding how to spend sp.

Plus, isnt baby t11 too early to take on Prodigy? id just keep boosting (srs) the bar on challengers are only gonna move up.

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