I mean, if I put the cash in will Subeta not put it towards making the site better or? If I donate to the fund, even if we DON'T make the 40k, I assume that the money will be spent on Subeta. The Kickstarters that vanish are like people pocketing the money and running.

Yeah, if it all fell through I'd be disappointed that it didn't go to the recode most certainly. But I wouldn't be like "Shit that money is going nowhere". Presumably it'll be funneled back into Subeta anyway.

All of this pretty much sums up my feelings about this. I buy CSC regularly. I will continue to buy regularly for the things I want in the Cash Shop. I will not randomly drop $100 just so all that CSC can rot on my account or flood the market. I WOULD drop $100 for a fundraising event so I could get the special prizes/know it was going specifically to the recode. I would ALSO STILL DROP MY REGULAR CASH FOR THE REGULAR STUFF. Probably even more than this if I can get my taxes done soon, or if this goes on long enough for me to earn more money. lol

There ARE people out there that want to fund both the PRESENT Subeta and the FUTURE Subeta. There are also people who refuse to fund the present Subeta due to the fact that it NEEDS a recode, but would be willing to fund the FUTURE Subeta.

If you hold this onsite, with a realistic deadline, transparency, tiers, etc, there is very little downfall to this. If you keep releasing stuff to the CS, people will keep buying it. If people want something, they WILL pay for it. Maybe it won't be as much, but it is time for Subeta to stop living only in the present, but to also consider the future. Current improvements are not enough. Plain and simple. After 10 years, this site should have been much further along than it is now. Subeta just hasn't had the income/man power to pull it off. I get that. We all do. But the people here who want to donate want to GIVE Subeta not just the income to survive, but the income/manpower to GROW. AND TO GROW FASTER, STRONGER, AND OVERALL MORE THAN THE CURRENT RATE. Simply doing this purely through the Cash Shop would just screw up the CSC/sP economy more. The prizes suggested here are reasonable. They shouldn't require too many resources (in the sense that, you wouldn't need to pay artists to make all new items... most of what is being asked could easily be accomplished with existing items or future projects). If something suggested DOES require too many resources, just... don't do that prize? Let your members support you, Subeta. We want to, but we are saying, right now, that if you want that /extra/ support, it needs to be on our terms. That's all this suggestion really is: here is my money, but you only get this huge ass amount if you can show me your interest in your own future in a much bigger and more specific way.

I sincerely think that this has a LOT of potential. Clearly, the way things are isn't enough. We've offered you another option. It's up to staff to seriously consider this, or at least think of other options.

Yeah I took it originally as it'll make it more... binding, I guess (for a lack of better words). Like a fundraising site will make it where the company getting the money has to do a thing with it. Which isn't the case at all obviously.

It would enforce, yeah, how much the goal is/how far the site is to meeting it or if it's met said goal yet-- but I would expect that to happen onsite or offsite, otherwise why donate if you have no idea how far the project is from success/or at least successfully reaching milestones? I'm not saying it'd be successful one way or another, just that I don't think it'll be doomed to be un-successful and we'll positivily be blocked out of knowing what's going on with it just because it's housed here instead of on a fundraising site.

I would be disappointed if that lack of transparency happened in the event of (no, not surprised-- disappointed) because there's no way people would be willing to support something blindly and I do genuinely wish to see the site get recoded for reals and succeed and stick around for years to come. If that ceases to be the case, then hey-- I used to waste as much money on smokes a month as I do subeta, so if it crashes and burns then I had fun while it lasted.

The bottom line, though, I think is that this board was made and people have supported it because if the core foundation of this site doesn't eventually get repaved-- it's going to be condemned, and there's a fair amount of us who really don't want to see that happen.

Also I missed this post before, haha.

1. Pet slots. I paid $60 for many of mine, and I've paid $40 for many more, and when the price was finally dropped to $20 and I was allowed more.. I bought all those too.

I'm currently capped at 46 pet slots, if I COULD buy unlimited pet slots... I'd have about 100 glorious IDs in all the zodiacs of the rainbow~ But I can't, because I'm capped.

2. I'd buy cash shop pet species, I love the neela and I'd love to see more.

3. If the MPII was $10 instead of $20, I'd buy a lot of those too.

4. I'd like it if CW makers could submit eyes/mouths, a lot of people have great ideas (I just paid $6.50 recently for a black phone CW because subeta is 10 years old and does not have a normal looking black cell phone of it's own.. instead we have pink and teal and orange).

5. If users could make and submit custom pet species (like overlays, all one-shot and all direct to cash shop for other users to purchase because hell no to "private" pet species that ain't even cool) that I could turn one of my pet's into... considering the cool shit people always suggest, I'd probably buy a lot of these too.

6. If we could buy custom item slots for $25+ like the OLLLD days (ie: you buy a custom item slot, you tell the staff artists what you'd like and they draw it-- the item gets officially released and you get a copy of it) (it could be a book/weapon/plushie/whatever.. like for example I could say a not iPhone 15, that's black.. and it's a wearable, and that's what I'd get) I would buy a lot of those. There's a ton of items I"d really love for TCs but frankly, I'm too lazy to draw them/too cheap to pay a CW artist to make it + the submission costs ehhh... it's too much work.

That said, even if subeta makes a CW version 2.0 (ie: swag money coming in) then.. there's slim to little chance that that money would be going to get the core of subeta recoded. I'm not saying the current programmers (yourself included) suck or are incapable of doing such a thing, because I'm really not.

What I'm saying is this: Yes, Rome was not built in a day but that's all it takes for am empire to fall. I understand that bringing in new people is awkward/expensive/growing pains but if this site is going to keep on existing than something needs to happen.

It's currently in no shape to bring in more users, that's why so few stick around. Often it's in no shape to keep the users it has, that's why so many stopped donating and/or left. I don't understand how this could be bad as long as there was honesty and integrity in regards to what the goal is/how much as been raised/the status of what's going on. I know some users are teens/college kids/haven't had a great deal of experience in the real world and might not fully grasp that.. yeah shit does indeed happen. Shit happens, in mass, even when you try SO HARD to stop it. As long as someone made an update saying hey guys this has been delayed because of x and y, but we're hoping it's two weeks tops so we'll let you know as soon as we're back up and running on this. I get that some users will fly off the handle, but I think a lot of the people here-- especially those of us with money to spend-- understand life does what it wants. Delays and error is human.

Backpedaling some, it's irrational to consider putting unlimited pet slots in the cash shop. It'd probably be a huge mess if users could submit pet species, and if there were custom items then artists would spend most of their time just drawing those.

You can't, also, put things like "achievement for giving us $10" in the cash shop (well you could, but people would complain in mass) like you could as a tier in a fundraiser. Nor can you say "hey guys if you give us $10k we'll give you a battle week!" because... why? Is the site dying-- oh god it's out of money OTL NEVER SPEND A DIME HERE THE SITE'S GOING UNDER (remember what happened with Valenth, and money wasn't even mentioned outside of saying it wasn't bringing enough in?). But you can do that with a fundraiser, and you can sell pet slot capped people like me a few loyalty slots for a hell of a lot more than $20.

I think we are all forgetting the most important thing here:

Man it's so bittersweet to be one of the handful of users here from the first iteration of subeta and this stuff still going on. I mean I'm pretty much stuck here for the long haul but it's discouraging for the site to be so far behind. Things like perpetual glitches to the point that events are a crapshoot and unkept promises (what recode) are very discouraging.

I certainly wouldn't call it a sinking ship just yet but it does seem like it will be taking on water soon =/

I say this with no offense at all intended toward the staff. Trust is fickle these days.

Its easy to say spend more on CSC and they will have more money to do a recode but how do we KNOW that, how do we know how much they would actually put aside? even if they put a progress bar in, we don't actually know how much more they would be making and how much of it is going towards the goal.

If we had something completely separate from the CS (like kickstarter) we could see what money is going in and they would be more obliged to tell us what they are doing with it and if they don't people will probably be very disheartened (don't inform us during the process I mean)and atleast if they do inform and end up needing more money, people are more likely to give.

I know some people will say just trust the staff and the staff here is some of the best I've encountered but there are a lot of not so good people aswell and anything to help members feel like their money is safe and going toward what they want should be important don't you think?

You can only repair your socks so many times before you have to buy new ones.

I'd be happy to donate to a recode fund if I knew that ultimately in the future (even if the goal was set for 6+ months from now for example) subeta would have this recode that's been talked about from....wayyyy before I even started playing. I love subeta, I want to see it thrive and grow...not collapse under the rotten core it's currently balancing on. I know that staff are working hard on patching things together and trying to add new features but it doesn't really help when it's broken at the bottom. It's like putting a band aid on a broken leg or something.

At the rate people currently buy csc, if you have all the overheads like paying for coders, artists, server space etc etc...How much is left to put in the 'rainyday' fund and how long will it take to save enough to pay for this recode? Like another 5+ years? This is why a separate fund is needed to make this happen Just buying tons and tons of csc won't really help either....because what are people going to spend this billions of csc suddenly flooding the market on?? Like I can buy a ton of csc, but there is genuinely nothing I want from the cash shop right now...why? Well because I only collect minions and beanbags and I already have them all. I buy a gold account when mine runs out and a few collections each month but that's pretty much it. So a tiered reward system that includes things pretty much the whole site would want...minions, beanbags, plushies, stickers, pet slots, weapons, wearables, achievements, forum titles etc etc would have to be factored in somehow? Personally I'd donate $1000 just to have my dog made into a minion :P

I think the key for this to work is transparency. No "we are ___% close to our goal" bullshit. We should know exactly how much subeta needs, and exactly how much has been earned. Also, the money would 100% have to go to the intended purpose (recoding).

My tax return should be here in a few days, and I'd really like to know if anything is happening with this

I would say it isn't very likely... at least not anytime soon.

I know, but I can dream, right? :( sigh

Skimming because lazy and late but everything I've seen you post on this is A+ I'm with you.

I spend a lot on CSC - I would continue to do so and also contribute to a fundraiser - especially with the fantastic donation tier suggestions you made on the first page.

Also where the hell is there a black cell phone CW? I NEED IT /sigh

To be honest I'm not sure where subeta is looking into to change or move ahead right now. If it was the past..well..just look at the cults(nothing done there.) If its the present look for the raised battle stat cap(it's not there either.) If its the future well..not much is ever mentioned on that at all. First they said we don't need to hire new people and than we'd have to hire more people for the recoding. This is eight pages long and I'm guessing will happen in 2020 if were lucky. It's like some tv shows that are new. There could be so much potential, but its not used. It's like a freakin' standstill. I am honestly scared it's going to be a standstill for many years ahead.. Even if the fundraiser didn't get to the end goal and was close, WELL ITS STILL FREAKIN' SOMETHING! SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW, YOU COULD ACTUALLY USE ON THE SITE ANYWAYS!?!

End point:DO SOMETHING! MAKE THE PEOPLE WHO PAY FOR YOUR SITE PROUD THAT THEY DO SO! MAKE THE PEOPLE WHO TRY TO REFER PEOPLE ON HERE PROUD THAT THEY DO! HAVE NEW AND OLD USERS HAPPY THAT THE SITE IS UP TO DATE! ACTUALLY GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOUR USERS AND YOUR SITE LIKE YOUR USERS DO RIGHT NOW!

I know you are following this. Would it be so bad to have an onsite place to donate directly to recoding? As multiple people have mentioned this is a great time to do it because people are getting their tax refunds. At least have sitewide tiers every 5k or so of features that current users have been asking for (stat cap raise, new battle dome people a raise in pet slot cap, battle week, free shop open again at the halfway/completed our goal mark.etc ) that way people still have an incentive to go to the cash shop and buy weapons, or csc stat boosters, pet slots .etc which would help the current standings of subeta. Yet also now you have stuff to put away directly for recoding. Give away loyalty boxes or totems as an incentive to donate directly. A few achievements or forum titles would be nice. Or the ability to have a voucher to make a custom title. Things that don't require you to get artists to add to their plates. However if you really want to get people donating offer back old custom items. As mentioned TC collectors would be all over that. I would be down for a plushie and beanbag. You could even make a separate board that allows people to voice out what they would like to see in the recode. If you were even to just raise the pet cap by 5 you can easily get 100$ from at least 10 users on site who are pet fanatics, that right there is an easy 1k. Set a goal that will raise the stat cap and bam, you will have people put down for that. Even for a battle week. Hell a Restock Drive would get me going. A chance to get old plot prizes. The list goes on and on.

Since I finished this today... I made more than $1500 in a month off Subeta (my goal was $925), nearly $700 of that was from one larger commission, but it was still made through Subeta, the rest was just 'pet people' who wanted overlays. I maintain that 40k is still more than plausible for the site with the right incentives.

It's kind of weird to think that Subeta's art community (as a whole) may be making more than Subeta itself. D:

Hey, I'm not complaining ;) But I guess it's possible yeah P= with enough artists (including profile makers) churning out enough work, there's got to be quite a bit of money changing hands -- not including the sP/csc side of things, I've made over 2 billion in sP on top of the real cash P= idk how many of those people would have been willing to pay cash with no sP option of course, but that's still a hefty sum of 'people willing to exchange goods for stuff'.

SOMETHING needs done to keep the site from being held together with bubblegum, duct tape and well wishes. Thus, if this would work, it has my support.