I got into a group for MM, but I can't add anything - it just says "No items found" even though I do have items in my inventory, even something from the WL peek. Refreshing doesn't help. :(

"You've just unlocked four new reactions, check them out here." Really?!?! gosh! That NEEDS to be fixed!

I received 7 presents - the same 4 WL items as before: 2 boosters and again the book is doubled, all good, I still need a few of that one. Happy me. Also a cheap festive book fitting the occasion.

I guess, I figured out the strategy: Must be always the very same WL items, that show in the peek. I checked the 2 categories mine come from, the items are the cheapest in each group (and most probably the cheapest in my whole WL sP wise, didn't check currencies).

Rest of the group: All 6 displayed WL items are there (I don't know, if the 3rd person's ever got to be included, after hours still wasn't) and 8 (Melody? She added one and then the rest, all foods, before any of us had contributed) cheap holiday foods in various tastes. Which I got 2 of.

I didn't put in WL items.

Repeating: Melody should wait a good while before adding her items. It's really kind of disappointing to see, that she hasn't contributed anything I'm going to be happy about, when she is the first in the group to add items. Why is she now not choosing WL stuff as planned in the beginning? And why actually is the content use listed at all?

Here are my experience since December 20 (the day as the wishlist peak started) till today, December 26 (for receiving items till December 25).

• I never bought wishlist peak items, just because the WL function should - in my opinion - only avail for the Luminaire topics in the forum.

1st --> I don't care about double items, as long as it's boosters/currencies (Tokens, Tome, Morty Card, Steam/Lounge Bags, Vesnali Coincs, Forum Shop, CSC gift card, scratchcards, potions for pets, Subeautique Invitations). Those are fine and as I read the posts so far, other subetans are also fine with getting those items in double, because they're help-/useful. So even new Player can get something very nice and boost their pets.

2nd --> While I also have high priced items in double or triples which I can't use anymore (only through selling, but that's not my intend), I throw them back in the pool. I also prefer to buy non-wl items which I can throw into the pool (only books, wearable, food, plushies, beanbags, stickers). With this system I was very fine all the time. I avoid wishlist peak completly, because it's something like "Everyone is doing this". And when everyone is buying wishlist peak items, the pool will be flooded with triples and quadruple. In the end, it's the decision of everyone if subetan do it so. I won't do it, because it should - again just my opinion - just for the Luminaire topics.

• I've received double items too, but just currencies (Tokens, Morty Cards, Subeautique Invitations) and this since the first day. And that's fine for me. Nothing to say about this.

1st --> I put such currencies always to my wishlist during Luminaire for the Luminaire Forum.

• I received a well mixed variety of items since the first day.

1st --> And yes, I also got items I already have from seasonal event shops. That's also fine for me, because I can trade them or make random gifts later. But I also got few vanity or cash shop items I didn't had and that was very nice for me.

- December 25 <-- Those are the items I got today, December 26 in the late morning

1st --> I got 3 Lifelike Dolls in total, which are on a hidden wl category. I have this wl category hidden, because as remember for me, when I choose a ticket to see easily if I already have the Lifelike Doll or not, without mouse-hover and clicking on account search. Of those LD I got a total of 7 (and only those LDs) of which I got 1 LD 3x, the other 2 LDs also 2x. The price of every LD ist 95K-99K. Items which I tossed in yesterday was 800K-1.5 Million. I can understand other subetans, which are frustrated about this, not only getting 3-5 copies of the same item, also about the huge different of lowest shop search price of those items.

Suggestions

• Maybe add in a feature that once a wishlist item is submitted by one person it greys it out for the others? It's anonymous anyways and you don't see your own wishlist items on there. --> This feature was suggested by ">here and I find it's a great idea. Maybe it's possible to remove all wishlist peak items directly, when one of those items was added to the pool.

• The possibility to not use hidden/private wishlist categories should be included for the next year, if possible. Private/hidden wishlist have always a reason why they're private/hidden. Even it's that others should not seen what someone want, or if it's just reminders for whatever-reason or if they're for gifting friends.

• The possibilty to join a group which has a given limit. Maybe from 100K-500K, 1Million-5Million and so on. So subetans with not much sP can also have fun with MM and subetans with many sP (example High Rollers) can also have their fun. But the amount of items should also adjusted then. By high rollers maybe to 2-3 items per person and anything below can throw in 1-5 items. Also Melody-Bot should adjusted and should only buy items, after everyone has added their own items in. To made it fair, she can check if everyone is getting something back around the same price and if not, she can buy boosters, currencies or whatever in compensation.

Again thank you very much to you for doing this Live update and any adaptations and also for bringing Mysterious Melody back this year. I wonder how it will improve and look like in the future. ^-^

Ok, so I didn't even think the button was working to accept me into a MM pool yesterday, so because I got no feedback after waiting for a good while on the screen, (+10 minutes when it said every five minutes) I gave up and eventually succumbed to a migraine and went to bed without trying again. Missing MM wasn't a big deal when I was already missing Christmas irl basically. (no migraine drugs on Paxlovid...)

Apparently, I had been put into a MM and wound up submitting nothing on Christmas, when I usually put in gifts totalling several millions worth. I guess this is kinda on me and all, but the site sets your expectations on a 5-10 minute time investment, and I spent ~15-20 minutes without understanding what happened and you have no way of backing out once you click the button if something is unclear or goes wrong.

The ability to put in gifts when we initially sign up would be REALLY nice, especially since we can switch them out on a whim. I'd like to think most nongifters are probably from a disconnect between the sign up and joining the pool.

I imagine changing gifts is kinda intended anyway if the wishlist peak isn't static.

It would be very nice if we could stay logged in on MM page on Kumos, rather than sign in 30 times per day :3

Just for fun, I added up the usershop prizes for everything I've put in and everything I've gotten from MM this month so far. Caveat-I knew I was putting in more than I was getting out and I'm okay with this! This was the main way I wanted to give this year, since it was back, and I hoped the new thing energy would make it more fun instead of tedious.

I put in 487M and change worth of stuff. A LOT of that came from stuff I had in my vault. I got ~93M and change worth of stuff back. There is ONE item I got that currently isn't for sale in shops . (a newer lifelike that was on my wishlist) that I didn't account for in this calculation

The lowest priced items I got were under 2k. I got 23 items under 100k out of the 104 items I've recieved. I firmly believe there should be a lower limit on items given and I really hope next year we have the option to opt into price ranges on pools. It'd make it much more fun!

I'd be VERY interested aftet MM for there to be a breakout of the ranges like this. (Though no one feel bad, I got some AMAZING things under my tree yesterday that make up for this! And most of the things I've put in that are high end are just things I had in my vault.)

And today again there was 4 copies of the same book from my WL in the pool. Obviously I was not the one to put any of them in. And also recieved none of them. Even if the item was on everyones WL, with four copies everyone could have gotten one. This just does not make sense to me.

Again, I got nice items, that is not the issue. I really like the new concept overall, with the groups and item limit and that you can see what uses of things everyone put in. Some things could probably use minor tweaks, but nothing major. Apart from the sometimes excessive duplicates and the way WL items don't nessecarily go to the person who has them on their WL even if there's multiples.

btw. WL peek items do change now.

Honestly, this new MM system seems to be a good way of getting stuff sitting in vaults out into circulation, and possibly consumed. If I understand things correctly, that should be good for the health of the game? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Keith your algorithm seems to be not working. Tonight i saw in our group someone donate a 34mil item, a rare vanity and a collection. Someone else donated a bunch of moro free items, a dandybunny and a 20wiz token..... It was cringe and painful to see

No matter what i put into the groups and even the more expensive items i seem to out in that day, i get the cheapest items possible. So now just stick to mid price and get that same type back, its safer. Its super unfair also when one or two people dont contribute Anyways the learning algorithm isnt learning it seems :(

Another day of seeing 4 copies of the same item in the pool. a 50k ragdoll, four copies, and I didn't put any in (and it was on my WL). I've stopped seeing duplicates of the items I'm putting in, so it seems my plan of getting one WL item per person on the higher price end of the three is working. I just hope they're going to the right people.

Thank goodness no event about having unlocked reactions! Thx for fixing that!

I received 7 items - the usual WL book and cheap booster (would have been disappointed, if not, lol) also got 2 somebody else's WL (one of which was a group triplet) and 3 old Melody items.

"My Book" throws a 505 error, when I want item info - has happened with other items (from the WL peek) before.

By the way: Item info click resulting page - I hope this is not, how shop search is going to work on Kumos!!!! 🤯😳 Are we not getting item hovers back?

I really think it's Melody throwing in the doubles. Yesterday I didn't put any wishlist item in, but 3 CS items, 1 retired item and 1 chance item. I saw 1 person having a Magical Keepsake box on their WL peak. There were 4 of those in the pool items. I didn't give one, the person who had it on their WL presumably didn't give one, so if the 2 others each gave 1, it means Melody gave 2 of them. Other than that, I was the only one (besides the boxes) who received doubles of the items: 4 WL items (2 doubles), and 3 non WL items, so 7 items in total. Not even near the amount I put in, but at least it was a bit of a variety of items, which was a nice change in all. I'm not putting any WL items in from now on, hopefulling to reduce the doubles.

I did notice that one of the items that I contributed to the pool was given to me in the distribution this past round. No duplicates were in the pool, so I know that it was the one I gave. This is the only time I've noticed it happening. All other days has been fine in that regard.

I second this.. especially for the past four rounds I've added some pricier CS items ranging from 2 to 10 mil In return I get 4 copies of the same WL book or plush that's around 50 to 200k haha

I TOTALLY understand everyone doesn't have or want to use the resources, I'm having fun adding some pricier items I find. But it does get a little disheartening when this ends up becoming an obvious pattern and it seems like pool rankings are not working

I hope these issues can be ironed out for next year - I really enjoy this concept. I had a blast on a few rounds, people added some items I've personally never noticed in Subeta before! (Though these rounds were before WL were added :'> )

I second this.. especially for the past four rounds I've added some pricier CS items ranging from 2 to 10 mil In return I get 4 copies of the same WL book or plush that's around 50 to 200k haha...

The way I understood it from earlier posts, this hasn't been put in place yet?

I don't have the time to read all of the posts here. That being said, I've participated in the new MM a handful of times and I am underwhelmed, putting it nicely. It's been not worth my time to participate. I put in decent items or items from the wishlist peek, but end up with Wizard Tokens or junk items that I just end up adding to the donation center. For someone with limited time on Subeta, it hasn't been fun at all. 😒

Something that others have pointed out before: Melody has just bought an Arid Lifelike Velosotor Doll for 202,999 sP, when they are in shops at 90k. For me better than when on the first day she bought a 1mio priced item for 24 k, but she shouldn't really do that, should she?

I again got a Kumos event for the shop purchase, which leads me to my shop in customer view (took me a while to figure out, what that page was, lol). Still no Subeta event. I can't remember if that only happens, when Melody buys something.

Re shop view - I thoroughly prefer the condensed Subeta presentation and layout!

I don't think there's enough incentive for that. I've been around since forever and tend to hoard, so I was hoping the algo would match over time with other people doing the same. That hasn't turned out to be the case at least so far this year. I just hope I'm somehow building up a lot of participation points or something. (Kinda wish we could see those, we all are driven by numbers going brrrr around here, after all! That alone would probably motivate people to give better presents!).

Prefacing by saying I love the ideas and the new format of MM. I've enjoyed this a lot, except for the past couple of days. Thank you, Subeta team, for all the hard work you do!

I don't have the spoons to read all previous comments, but I wanted to add my two cents about wishlist items + duplicates.

Of the 7 items received, I did get wishlist items (50k and 300k values, if that matters to the conversation; it doesn't matter to me), but x2 and x3. So ended up with only 3 different items in total. Last time, I got 3 duplicates of WL items as well, and that was not happening before. Kind of super frustrating when I try to provide a variety every day.

I am noticing Melody buying 3 of something when she buys from my shop lately. Previously, she was only buying 1. If it's Melody giving me all these duplicates, and I'm being excluded from the actual pool of real members, that feels really yucky.

I don't know about others, but I really only need one of a WL item, or no WL items at all! Surprises are exciting! But also I have no idea if my items I buy from WLs are even making it to those I'm buying for. Could we see if/when the WL items are matched?

Also, it would be nice if WL items were allowed to be given in a pool only as many times as it appears on the WLs of individuals in the group, and then distributed accordingly to those people, if possible. If not, maybe Melody buying completely random things of a certain value rather than WL items is the way to go? I don't know anything about code, just thinking of ways this could feel more rewarding for participants.

Thank you all so much for the care you put into the game <3