Yeah sure. He's totally doing it to make people buy more GAs. You know. After giving 10$ (2 months of GA fyi) to everyone on the site as an apology recently. And rewarding long-time users with free GAs and other pricy (or priceless, in terms of petslots) things through loyalty boxes, regardless if they play actively or not. And letting people earn CSC for free just by playing the site. And letting people buy CSC cards from user shops with sP. And giving away free renames to people who lost a username or all of their petnames because of inactivity.

Totally going very p2w there. Such microtransaction. Much moneygrabbing. Many greed. Wow. e_e

It's "remembering a few items" x 700+ for you and plenty of other users on the site. You're dreading saving them manually and demanding the site keeps it unlimited. Even though the site has had lots of issues with unlimited things bogging things down.

But yeah, it's Keith who's being moneygrubbing on a dying site by (if I got this right and I'm 90% sure I did) letting you keep those 700+ legacy outfits, and giving you a limit of 250 new ones for a non-GA account.

yeah until i have any evidence that saved avatars actually slow down the site im not going to believe that because i really dont think the coding for them is anything besides minimal

lmfao ok yeah he gave pittance of 10$ because they didnt fucking notice no backups for four goddamn months and people lost irreplaceable wearables good argument

Yep, 10$ for free. For every user on site. Assuming that the site has a more or less active userbase of (I'mma pull a number outta my ass just for the sake of an example) 12 000 users, that's 120k $ out of their pockets and the site's funding for future projects.

As well as admitting they fucked up (which they did, nobody says they didn't) and dropping everything else to make sure people get those items back asap. And making sure it won't happen again by fixing the issue with backups.

All that aside, my point with that list of examples still stands. Subeta is stupid generous with premium currency compared to a lot of the sites I play. This outfit situation isn't becoming p2w.

P2w would be if they had forced a limit of 200 outfit slots, but your legacy outfits counted for them all. You could buy 50 extra outfit spaces for 250csc, and no saving of new outfits until you buy enough slots to cover all your legacy outfits first.

Edit: was too generous with the example numbers for slot prices. : P

If we're talking about limiting things for the good of the site, let's start limiting the amount of CWs people can upload, maybe?

Even minimal code compounds and adds up over time. There might not be a lot of data or lines of code for one user, but when you stretch it across all users, that can easily become a lot.

giving csc costs them literally nothing lmao that's not how fake currencies work.

it may not cost them anything, but all the people who would normally buy CSC may spend less because people aren't buying as much with sP. Or they may buy less because they have some onhand. So while it doesn't cost anything, it does impact revenues.

Yes, it does 'cost' them to give out free CSC.

I'm not this site's like... biggest fan recently? But even this makes sense to me. How many of those 700 have you worn again? Was that 700 developed over how many years? Why can't you screen cap the items and HA and upload them to a site like imgur with it hidden? Besides, when's the last time this site implemented a hard cap and actually stuck to it?

I think 250 is fine. Even if you created and saved a full 2 outfits per day that's like. 125 days worth of outfits. Like 34% of a year. Even if you only did one a day that's 250 outfits so 68% of a year. If you did one every other day that's 136% of a year. I feel like that's more than reasonable...?

It's (potentially) improving the site for an entire userbase. Even assuming, high end, 25% of users are affected by this, that still leaves 75% who aren't and who have their daily lives (potentially) improved.

Personally, I have 129 saved. But a ton of those are one-offs or a few items smushed together because I think they look cool. Ultimately I'll get to the point where I have to delete an old one... but meh. Most of them were made so long ago it's irrelevant. I can't recall a single large-scale game that has all-encompassing features. I usually have a spreadsheet or imgur screenshot list for at least one aspect. This might just be one of those.

Dude, when literally nobody is agreeing with you despite everything that's happened recently, maybe you should at least entertain the concept that you might not be right here.

You keep saying you'd need to see proof that it's negatively impacting the site's performance. Like, what kind of proof could they even show you? Screen caps of the servers sputtering and dying?

Just because you don't like the change doesn't mean the staff is out to ruin your day personally, jesus christ.

ur all right, i take it back, i'll fucking save them to imgur so at least ill still be able to see them when the site dies in 3 months.

Entitlement is not a word I throw out lightly because gods knows I've had it slung at me enough for demanding the site do the very basic things. And as I said before, I've had my clashes with the staff over that before and had the loyalists call me names because they don't like that I won't passively sit back and accept the bs when it's bs. But you are truly being an extremely entitled brat over this, and I mean that with all the force I have in me right now.

You are not a coder, you do not know how much strain the code to save an avatar is taking. However minimal, at over 700 outfits you are taking up a lot of space. Space that could be used to help the site function better, the amount varying depending on how much space is being taken up by each avatar. Also at this point that 700 is more like 1,400 because it's in the old wardrobe and the new one until they feel comfortable enough with the new one to shut down the old one, but even then some remnants of those 700 avatars may live on until they completely dismantle the code for the old wardrobe.

Just because you are one of a few outliers who want to have over the 250 limit and refuse to play this game enough to save up the CSC to get a GA for the 500 slots and still think that is not enough does not mean the rest of us should suffer when this will increase site performance for everyone as a whole. And us disagreeing with you by agreeing the limit is a good thing is not a reason for you to get nasty.

Okay, so... sorry? I'm nosy. But I looked at your shared avatars. (Also -- holy cow. Some of these are mono-colored beauty. Forreal.)

There's 218 from the legacy set. 15 from 2016; 329 from 2017; 145 from 2018; 9 from 2019; and 7 from 2020. So even if we take out the legacy ones, you're only at 505. And, unfortunately, there were a ton of broken images. Hopefully they're not that way for you!

Regardless. I picked a random image out of thin air and saved it. It was 73.3KB with a disc size of 76KB. (These are .pngs to preserve transparency) So, if we take.. let's say 73.3KB (image size) times 723, we get: 52,995.9KB / 51.75380859375 MB / 0.050540828704834 GB. If we do it for the disc size it would take on my computer, we get: 54,948 KB / 53.66015625 MB / 0.052402496337891 GB.

Doesn't seem like much, right? But, let's say... 50% of users have an average of 250 outfits. 30% of users have an average of 500. 10% of users have an average of... 100. And 10%, like you, have an average of 900. (Throwing the other user who had quite a few in here.)

Using Subeta's Statistics we know there are 174,806 users with 15,307 of them suspended. Since I'm working off a few assumptions here, we'll do... 150k users. So 50% = 75k, 30% = 45k, 10% = 15k & 10% = 15k.

Those, plus the previous numbers, we get the following numbers:

50 % / 75k / 250 Outfits / 76KB disc space One User - 19,000 KB All Bracket - 1,425,000,000‬ KB

30 % / 45k / 500 Outfits / 76KB disc space One User - 38,000 KB All Bracket - 1,710,000,000‬ KB

10 % / 15k / 100 Outfits / 76KB disc space One User - 7,600‬ KB All Bracket - 114,000,000 KB

10% / 15k / 900 Outfits / 76KB disc space One User - 68,400 KB All Bracket - 1,026,000,000 KB

Total: 5,301,000,000‬ KB / 5176757.8125 MB / 5055.4275512695 GB / 4.9369409680366 TB Literally over 4 TERABYTES of data. Just from Stored avatars.

So, yeah. It's a lot of space. Now, I used a lot of assumptions and math and such, but once you figure in those Superusers who have more than even Lypsl (I think it was), or yourself, coupled with those who don't have any, and add in the items, and layers, and mess? It's a lot of data that just... sits there. Does that seem to help at all?

[edit] Edited because apparently I can only spell OR do math. Not both. /shrug.

I may be mistaken (I know zero about website coding) but I'd think it's even more than that.

Outfits aren't just the saved flat 'final image' that displays outside the wardrobe. They're a full multi-layered outfit. At least in the old wardrobe, when you change your hair or skin the outfit previews all update to match. That means that the site is loading the individual images for every item in those outfits.

And of course wearables actually have THREE images (a male and female version, and the item). Whether or not each outfit needs to load those, idk maybe? If the outfits update when you change your salon hair, I assume they update when you change your HA's sex, too.

100% true. I did mention all of the items themselves. So i mean, hell. If you have like... average 20 layers per HA, then that's 20 images layered into one... and then... yeah. It's crazy. I realized the need for this as a whole, but then I did math and it was astronomical.

I wonder... Might it be possible to set up a system where you can export a .txt,, file, etc containing the saved avatar data, so people can save their outfits to their own PCs? Then they could just import the txt/file and the site reads it/loads the avatar. If such a thing could be managed without putting too much load on the site, it might be the ideal compromise for the folks who find themselves hitting the limit.

I love that idea.

I like saving my HAs for two reasons. One is to preserve the items used and there's no easy way to do that right now other than saving it. If I could download that info, it would be easier to manage.

Unfortunately the other reason I save HAs is to post them in threads. For contests, advice threads, bug reports and such, and those need to be saved.

You're idea would still help a lot though!

Off-topic but,