I put stuff as 10 copies sometimes when I know there's little to no demand and I feel like I need to match that with my supply just in case anyone is iffy about slotting because it will be unlimited or available for longer. I don't think my putting the limit to 10 copies helps much, it doesn't really generate more demand, but yeah, I guess I don't know if it impacts things or not. My older releases, ones where I feel like they only had 10 copies, I still find on the shop search for less than slot sometimes, so then it's really depreciated because despite that low supply, the demand is not there at all lol.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, supply only hurts if the demand outpaces it.

I also don't think people want to be like 30-40 copies and have issues slotting the first 10 because it looks embarrassing?

Of course, despite releasing for years, I still feel out of the loop and a relative outsider, so take my opinions with a grain of salt. :P

I appreciate you taking the time to give such an in-depth response. I definitely don't want to flood the market or utterly devalue items, I ideally the CW economy would be as fair as possible for both releasers and buyers. :) Unfortunately, I agree that a lot of complaints do seem to come from people who aren't very familiar with the systems in place, and may forget about the needs of the people who actually put a lot of money into creating and releasing new CWs. I've tried, and I know others have tried, to spread knowledge about the process of creating, submitting, releasing, and selling CWs and how entangled and expensive it all is, but it doesn't seem to have had much effect.

I don't mean to neglect the needs of releasers at all (I am one, after all!), and I understand that buyers need to protect themselves by being able to make back their money without constantly buying more CSC. I'm simply trying to find some way to bring the two sides of the coin together. I love the close-knit community aspect of the CW market, but I wish there were some way to make CWs more accessible to the site as a whole.

Hahaha, maybe the way the market is set up, it's just impossible for CWs to appeal to more casual players than the average CW community member. In general, we CWers seem a bit hardcore. :) Lots of time, effort, and moneyyyyy go into this hobby, for sure!

You have every right to comment here, yo! And I totally understand where you're coming from! Do you do most of your slotting on your ping group forums and not on the public forums? I wonder if you might be able to garner more interest if you posted publicly? I love your decanters, btw, just haven't yet snagged a color I like. :)

It hurts when things just don't sell though, I understand. A lot of my releases are slotted for less than 10 copies, though I usually submit as 20 if I feel like I mighttt sell more copies later in my CW shop. Haha, I guess we're not the releasers that people complain about not releasing enough copies. X__X But that's okay, as long as we're having fun and enjoy the items we're able to get on site!

I understand that and it's very considerate of you trying to find a balance ^_^ I was just stating my look on things, but it's just one opinion. If you are looking for suggestions, I would suggest two things:

1. Try releasing items specifically for black friday where everything in the CW cash shop is at a discount. This would also include recolors so there isn't a sense of "this color is more rare than this color because it wasn't released in the cash shop." It could be something like a few recolors each year.

2. Try and avoid private items. It's nice to exclusively release items to friends for their birthdays or special events, but give them the ability to sell to whoever so they don't feel trapped with an item they don't use anymore

Start a CW help center on Discord 😜

(plus a group here on Subeta as well!)

When I was starting out Discord was super useful tool for chatting because you could have fast paced conversations and get pretty quick answers. Especially on servers someone is usually online to help answering questions. ^^ On Subeta it might take a while before someone answers but on Discord I can usually get a hold of someone pretty fast to help me if I have something to be sorted out. Quick questions and quick answers! But also the possibility to have faster moving conversations about different topics. These forums posts kinda feel like I'm almost writing an essay sometimes haha! Plus approaching someone one-on-one can be quite intimidating sometimes. I feel like the bar was really low to just shoot a question in the group chat, usually someone was online to help you out.

(I don't know if would be interested in running some kinda of lil channel on her server for CW help related stuff since she already has a large user base on her server including a lot of veterans and artists)

As a side note: it's also been a really great tool to working and communicating with artists!

Also pinging over since she helped me a lot in the beginning to get started. :> She is also one of the releasers who started a joint CW server on Discord so she might have some interesting opinions both on Discord and the CW scene as a newer releaser.

As for other stuff

RE: exclusivity As a buyer I personally don't care about batch limits when I'm slotting on items (other than hoping that they are high enough for me to be able to get it xD) I buy stuff to keep but of course sometimes things I thought I would really like end up not seeing much. :< I've sold my first 2nd hand CWs just the past month so I'm still kinda feeling things out in that regard.

As a releaser I have a few "privates". Meaning items I just didn't slot publicly. Even for the stuff I released for friends I don't want to completely take away the ability for someone else who loves the item to obtain in a some way. There's never going to be any sell/trade limitations on my items because I don't want people to be stuck with them if they can't use them, I'd rather they go to someone who can. I try to sometime include them contest rewards prize pools and such as well. ^^

I am not against privates in a sense. in the end people are allowed to release items to whoever they want. I still think there's some unnecessary hostility on both sides. What I mean by that is that privates are sometimes extremely looked down upon within buyers and the releasers can also get pretty angry over selling them. I remember there being some hurt feelings over privates popping up in pawn shop. Both sides could afford to be a bit more lax.

RE: community generally I think it would be really fun if we could do more stuff communally. The way CWs work we are all kind of doing our own things separate from each other. For me personally Subeta holidays are really fun because there's a lot more activity with people hosting events and such. ^^

Haha I'm getting all kinds of ideas while reading this thread so it might be fun to try some of them out in the future. :'>

thanks for the ping ( ´ ▽ ` )

This is interesting topic to consider, so thank you

In my experience as a new-ish releaser (since like January), discord was crucial in allowing me to gain the confidence to throw myself out there - initially with my own art, and now with commissioned pieces as well! I had previously not really been in contact with other users, so getting into the CW scene really opened my eyes as to how a community could and should work!

That being said, I enjoy the direct contact and exchange that discord allows, but I’d also love it if the forums were more active - best way to see other people’s avatars :>

& I started off a server together initially because the CW community is intimidating! Everyone seems to know each other, know OF each other or have some kind of history, so we felt like having a space together would give us more confidence in how we interact with other users. Look to now, we’ve got way more people than I thought we’d ever have! I can legit only recommend discord as a way of organizing and interacting, and as Bun said, Ale has done such an awesome job in doing that already.

Re: exclusivity and batch limits

y’all throwing me into the deep end here, I did not know this was so hotly debated lmao

On one hand, I’ve got a few private items of my own, which are based on my OCs so they have more significance, but I also get being frustrated at not having a chance at them. However, imo, I’m not that broken up about it because, well, they’re pixels? Maybe that’s a stupid way of looking at it, but I won’t get upset about not being able to get a copy.

As for batch limits - hoooo boy, they’re a pain the ass, I fully concur. I tend to post the cw first and then limit according to interest. I’ve also released a few with unlimited for 24h/48h or just fully unlimited - the sky’s the limit hah

Final note:

The CW community is pretty high maintenance ngl I love it and the people I’ve met, but it’s frustrating to keep track of who has beef with who, do these people have their own clique, do they look down on newer releasers, etc. I’d also love if we could have more of a United front when it comes to CWs, with more events maybe organized within or the like?

Oh yeah, if it was split by the categories that would make my life so much easier - and if I could alter the arrangements on the backend of how things appear it would be easier as well. I think all of that was discussed with staff at one point and I'm sure there was a reason we couldn't but I don't remember it.

I just had a thought. just had a quick HA contest for an item release. If the participants who did the contest are able to slot if they want the item and then open to public to sell, the public can see the various ways members wear said item and that might garner more buyers. Especially people who are new to CWs and love to dress up their HAs. Just a suggestion. You meet the releaser. Get to know and chat up the other entrants. Etc.

I've been debating on posting here, here goes.

I used to do 20-40 slots back in 2017, when I first started CWs because I know the feeling of missing out items. However, it's been getting very difficult for me to fill old designs (the ones that I commissioned/bought when I first started, which I still have a few recolors of ._.). This is why I limit my items to 5-10 copies now. I am lucky to have a group of friends to help me gauge interest in new designs/recolors, and I determine my batch limits based on their interests. It's never easy to gauge interest on any item imo.

I agree with . The cw resale market is extremely toxic/greedy imo. Before I get attacked/demonized, I have seen one of my event items being put up for 1.5k+ csc by multiple people when it had 40+ copies on site. That doesn't make me want to release anything to the public at all, which is why I release some items only to friends/people I trust who won't use them to make bank. Some of my items are based on my OCs. I understand the frustration of not ever obtaining those old privates, at the end of the day, they're pixels, and maybe someone else will offer an alternative to that item.

I'd also like to say that while the CW shop pages have gotten better, it's not perfect. Perhaps if the UI is changed into something similar like the pawn shop (a search menu with only a small dropdown menu with layers on top of the feed instead of a new page?) maybe it would be more friendly to those who don't use the forums to buy CWs. I've also noticed that some items (the ones I submitted as unlimited/DTS do not show on my feed?) I also understand the popularity of using discord for CW purposes. A few months ago, editing and posting in the forums were a nightmare to deal with due to site issues, and not everyone is able to be online the moment I ping.

I'd like to say that perhaps if staff would even consider lower the submission cost of submitting cws, maybe the CW market would improve. I've seen comments which people say they don't want to interact with the seller to buy their items (see the old pawn shop closing thread), so why not make it easier on the releaser to submit the item instead of having them relying on their friends/others? There are many great releases that I'd love to slot on, but I don't have the money to slot on everything being released. I've also used the wishlist search to search who has my items on their wls (it's a great feature to gauge interest with as well!) and I've seen many users who I've never interacted with/seen in the cw scene had these items on their WL.

, great point! I plan on doing more of these short HA contests and adjusting the rules/prizes to make it fun for everyone.

As a seller I just toss everything into my shop and sell it.

As a buyer I can't believe what is going on now. People are now being told they have to join a different site in order to buy some CWs? Why? How is this even allowed and when did it become a thing? I don't know what Discord is, and I have no interest in it. I should not have to join another site and chat people up just to get them to take my money and sell me some pixels. Sorry if that comes across as rude or anything, but the whole thing is now very frustrating. I look at my ever growing WL and realize that I am probably never going to get any of those items. I know people are saying things along the lines of "You could get a recolor of the same item". but if I want a rainbow item (I collect those) why would I want a pink one? There are already enough totally unobtainable items thanks to people quitting or being frozen! I just don't understand the need to keep everything so exclusive/limited. I know people are saying that the items have to retain their "value", but if an item originally sells for 700 csc why should it be any more "valuable" then that? Recently I bought a CW for a dear friend of mine and was asked to pay 3000 csc (plus around 200mil in items). That is crazy!!!!! If it was an item for me, I never would have bought it. If someone buys a CW and then sells it for what they paid for it or even just 100 csc more. then I don't have a problem with that. I do however have a huge problem with players that expect someone to pay double or triple what they paid for it just because the original seller decided to keep it so limited! I used to put CWs on my WL because I was hoping to find them in a US one day, but now I just hope to find them in the pawn shop or else I just don't buy them.

When I commissioned my first dress I was so excited! I couldn't wait to have more made. These days I just don't care any more. I am getting to the point where I might just retire my whole shop and give up on CWs completely. Instead of CWs becoming more accessible to the average player they seem to be heading in a more exclusive direction. Especially if players are now expected to jump through even more hoops on a totally different site! Sellers should be more concerned with making it easier for buyers to actually buy their items instead of making it easier for others to sell said items. I just think sellers should worry more about their profit and less about how much their buyers are going to sell it for. The reseller only put in what the original seller asked for, so even asking for 100 more then what they paid is still a profit!

I am just rambling at this point. The frustration is real! I don't think anything is going to change for the better any time soon. I just wish people would take into consideration that the site is slowly dying and in the end those pixels are not going to be worth anything at all! Just something to think about. Sorry for the long rant and hopefully no one will @ me just to yell at me over anything I have typed here. Not interested and will ignore :( too stressed to deal with that. I just needed to vent a little.

I do it through the ping group first to give a sense of exclusivity but then I also ping customwear on the public version of my board, but most of the time no one posts to bump the thread up or to slot, so I really don't think people aren't seeing it. They're not slotting or engaging and that's fine. I know some things aren't going to be popular. Exactly, as long as the items get on the site, the battle's over with haha. c:

I guess I wish more people who look at the cw community from the outside could realise that actually it's not just cw community v subeta, there's no such thing (more like cw communities v other cw communities v subeta lol). And batch limits exist for reasons, including trying to curtail an item which wouldn't have high demand regardless of its supply. But I appreciate it's hard to get the big picture when people aren't actually on the releasing side of cws.

also, re: community - I feel like you get what you put into it. Socialising is one thing. Meeting people is one thing. But making and keeping friends is another. As someone who has been releasing for years, I still feel like an outsider because I haven't bothered actually engaging with people and they haven't bothered engaging (or continuing to engage) with me (not meant to be blaming others, just factual, like why engage people outside the group when you have other people in the group or who are more engaging). It sucks but it is what it is. I think discord servers, from reading this, are fostering a larger community, and that's great, but part of me wishes it was on subeta for a) more transparency b) including people who don't do fast chat / discord-y stuff (like myself :P , I say this in jest, I'm probably bowing out of releasing in general, just no longer feeling it on subeta so there's no point in trying to reach out).

Tbh, I don't invite people to my discord to slot on CW's. Yeah, I may do an exclusive here and there, but I do it for a sense of community.

i love you from afar, lets be pals. subeta has always kind of stunk for chat/making pals. I was very not excited for discord but I love it a lot now and have branched way more out.

On the releasing side, there are people who buy some of the items I release in my CW shop as early as a few hours from shop release, to even as late as years down the line!

As a buyer from the shops, I personally find out about new items from the "Released Custom Wearables List", SubetaLodge, the CW Shops page itself, or other people (i.e. asking others what fancy new item they're using).

I'm glad to have your opinion and I appreciate the more technical view of things market-wise. I have verrry little experience with economic sorts of things, so most my assumptions are tenuous at best, LOL. Thank you for the suggestions! I'm looking forward to trying out some new things this year for Black Friday, including some kind of special release to celebrate the sale! I will also continue to avoid private items, haha. For me, they're too difficult to keep track of. Even for birthday or Lumi gifts I try to just leave how an item is used up to the buyer/giftee. Easier on everyone that way.

LOOOK at you and Hockey trying your best to lure me to Discord ahaha. I will consider it /is a grandma /is anxious about new things :p

I mentioned briefly in my reply to Peculiar that I had mulled over the idea of some kind of CW ambassador group/program, to pair myself/other interested veterans with newbies and/or be available for questions. I might look into that again. Cathii and Reaper also have some very helpful threads stickied in the forums, but I don't know how visible those are to people who have questions!

Your comments about Discord make me think that subeta might do with having some kind of PM/chat system that's not the shoutbox. I had heard long ago about some kind of smail revamp, I don't know if a chatting system would be included in that, but it could be a nice invigoration of the current system – because you're right, the forums are fine but also not particularly useful in a lot of ways.

RE: privates I also decided several years back that I don't care what happens to my items after they're sold, as long as they brought some kind of happiness to the buyer or to the giftee – even the transitory happiness of getting sold for CSC, haha.

RE: community hellz yeah!!! more events!! Cathii was a boss about trying to organize community events back in the day, there's even an awesome ping group that I totally want to try and utilize – maybe you'd be interested too? I think it needs some advertising to get off the ground, but it could be cool. I'm really curious to see what ideas you have! event group

Also hello I'm sorry you keep gettig pinged here, thank you so much for your feedback and the work you do for the community! We haven't interacted much but I've heard nothing but good things about you and your discord server. ^^

Oh hello, I didn't realize that you were formerly kuma! Good to know. ^^

I'm learning so much about discord today!! I'm so glad it was so helpful for you for gaining confidence and finding your feet in the community. That's awesome! I too wish we could invigorate the forums again, and I'll be brainstorming ideas to help that if we can manage it. :)

Hahaha, as for exclusivity, batch limits, and so forth, I bring it up because it's always the hot topic whenever Cws are dicussed by people “outside” of the cw community, and I really wanted to get insight on different releasers' points of views. I don't personally have a problem with private items, because I know there are lots of reasons for having them – like making items for your OCs – but I suppose there are some people on site that get in a tizzy for not having access to certain things that they find via the wardrobe, etc.

Also, I'm so shocked about your high maintenance comment! :O I think I am still too much on the periphery to really notice in-fighting and drama, because honestly I thought the CW community was pretty cohesive and sweet. Hahaha, I do have a tendency to be naïve, though. I truly want us to be a united front, welcoming, peaceful, and just having fun. I agree, maybe more events and perhaps some kind of meet-and-greet or something could help? I want to do everything I can to make the CW community less intimidating, because we've had some amazing new blood this past year or so (you included!) and we could always do with more. ^^

I tend to miss staff conversations, so I'm not sure, but yeahhh some way of organizing/filtering/sorting would be really useful! I only have like 20 things in my shop and it's already a lot to put my peepers on.

Yeah, loved that contest and was a dumb dumb for missing it because that dress is very cute! Definitely looking forward to recolors. ^_^ I love your idea of hosting more quick events like that to get people excited and help people get to know each other!

Thank you for taking the time to post. I know there's a lot going on in this thread but I really appreciate your input! <3

Gosh, I had no idea that the resale market was so awful these days. I don't buy or sell a lot outside of slotting, but it's a shame that some people are making things difficult like that.

I understand your system for slotting mostly friends/people you trust, and keeping the batches small. Have you considered releasing a large batch size (after slotting your friends) just to your CW shop? If you're selling 20 copies at 700 CSC or whatever in your CW shop, then that seems like it would diminish the desire for greedy resellers to try and make 3k off of it, while allowing a wider audience to snag a copy if they wish. I'm sure it's super tiring to even think about if you've had bad experiences in the past, though. :/

I like your idea of adding the search function right on the front page! It seems like the cW shop functionality is somewhat hidden, even to experienced users, and obviously that does no one any good. I have only just started experimenting with using my CW shop more, so I'm not sure about things not showing up on my feed. Maybe it would be something to bring up to the next time it happens?

I think I remember when editing on the forums was suuuper slow, it was definitely difficult to work with. I've learned a lot about Discord on this thread and I can see what it's attractive to use, though I'm glad to see that most people still do public slotting on the forums as well.

I think everyone would love it if the submission cost went down, hahaha. I think that's been the number 1 wish on this thread! :P I would hope it would help lower the entry level for new submitters, too.

Thanks for coming to the thread, it's okay to vent now and then and I can understand your frustration. Discord is a chatting site/service, like chatrooms but better? LOL I don't actually use it, so I am not too familiar with it. But basically, it's quicker and easier to use than the forums here on subeta, so it's become popular as a social thing. Most people, as far as I can tell, only use discord to chat/socialize, or possibly offer pre-claims for some Cws, while still taking slots normally here on the subeta forums. So don't fret, you don't need to join another site! The vast majority of items will still be available just like always.

From what I understand, when most people say they want their releases to retain their resale value, they mean they want their buyers to be able to resell that item later, if they want, for around slot price. It seems like some items that have 30, 40, or more copies sometimes end up getting sold for far LESS than slot price, so buyers have a hard time making their money back and thus, can't buy as many new Cws. It does seem like there are a few people trying to make big bucks on the resell market, though, instead of just selling items for slot price. It seems like you encountered one of those people when you were trying to buy that gift for your friend. :(

Releasers very much are worrying about their profits when they only release small batches of items, though. There's been a lot of feedback on this thread basically saying that it's hard to sell items that have large batch sizes, because buyers are worried they won't be able to sell that item, even for slot price, down the line. It's unfortunate for both releasers and buyers.

I'm sorry you've had such negative experiences with CWs, and I hope you're able to find some enjoyment again! If you ever need someone to talk to about CWs or the community, you're welcome to comment me and I will try my best to lend an ear or help if I can. I hate for anyone to feel left out and frustrated!

Okay! I was just curious, because I know I've seen pings from you recently for your ears, but your shop in the CW forum hasn't been updated since June. I totally get it if it just wasn't working out for your flow, though.

Yeah, exactly!! What you said really encapsulates how I feel about cw community vs subeta, and how I wish people would take a minute to think about the systems in place and why everything works as it does. I do understand how hard it must be from an outsider perspective though, since there really is SO much going on between the actual making/commissioning/submitting an item, running a shop, etc.

RE: community yes indeedyyy. I love the community but I'm also not SUPER active, so I still sometimes feel like I'm on the periphery, but that's okay until I'm ready/able to engage more. ^^ And same for you, you should stick to what makes you feel most comfortable!

I'm always so happy when someone randomly buys an older item out of my shop. Like, I feel inordinately pleased with myself that I left that item available hahaha.

I absolutely love the released custom wearables thread too!!

omg so many posts happened and now I don't know what to reply to anymore haha ;;

I just want to add a few points to some of the things I read!

RE Events : I super agree that we need our cw community to feel more... "community" driven. As in having events, a sense of engagement and in general just having more fun! But honestly, the truth is that everyone wants it to be done and run by someone else, and in the end it rarely pulls people in. I used to run subetabox for over a year and a half with and I can tell you it was a huge stress, so much planning to do. In all honesty it's also pretty expensive to run, csc wise, which would really be worth it if people joined in - but they never seem to really do. Every now and then I'll see a user trying to run an event and it more often than not ends with little participation only. I don't know exactly what it is - lack of time, lack of effort, no real attachment to participating - but it often feels underwhelming in the end. I wish people chimed in more, because the snowballing effect would probably bring us a lot more participation afterwards!

RE Discord : I get lost with all those servers D: Too much text, too many conversations everywhere that I don't know where to check anymore. i muted a lot of channels because there's just too much to read and not enough time to reply. A part of me wishes we could consolidate everyone into one big channel (with different subchannels for each artist) so that "general conversation" could really be for everyone, not "general conversation" x 25 different servers!

RE partnership / mentoring : I've always liked the idea but.. from having tried informally many times, it's netted just about 0 results :/ I've either messaged or been approached by atleast 6 different people for help, advice and the likes and then... well, nothing happened. One of the users replied to me literally 5 months later to say "thank you, i'll try" and another one told me they'd show me sketches, but never did. I really am up for helping people, I'm always available on discord or mails, but it just never seems to pan out. I don't know how to encourage newer artists to try, and I still love the idea of a partnership/mentoring thing, but I have a feeling it would need to be established more officially than just offering people to help them, because it's seen as a loose form of engagement more than anything else. And it's frustrating, too! Like, I wanna help! I'll show you examples of cws, I'll stream for you, I'll redline and explain denials!

Whenever I see someone posting their discord server I was thinking it would be more efficient for cw releasers to be in just 1 server, and have roles/channels just for their releases. If I joined every server I'd have about 30+ servers connected to my discord and I can't keep up with every one of them. Many of the servers eventually die out :/ It's a great idea to think about.

Why don’t we start a thread on this forum where we could introduce ourselves to the community so they can get to know us (artists and releasers) and won’t feel intimidated by us. I’m not a big releaser just a few CWs but we can put some of our CWs on the post. Put a link to our shops in our post. Hobbies so we can see if we have things in common to chat about. Just things that you want to tell them about yourself. Just a thought.

Thanks for the info Hun and thanks for understanding! I would love to get back into having CWs made for me. I have about a thousand ideas. It just costs a lot of money :( Maybe one day I can just jump back in and any help at that time will be greatly appreciated! Thank you :)

I’m just jumping I here with a short comment because I’m on the go and in a rush ?

that whole thing with one server with roles for artists & releasers is actually what we’ve been trying in our server! It’s actually really neat, but again, it feels like people are too lazy or don’t understand the system so they end up not joining any roles at all, and then don’t get any pings ‘v’ we’re currently at I think about 8 or 9 releasers trying this system. Honestly though, an ever bigger server for just like everyone would be amazing!

The slotting system is much harder to understand than I think a lot of the long time Subeta CW community participants realize.

Understanding that you have to join a forum group to be notified when there are new CWs being advertised, then clicking on the notification and being taken to a thread, sometimes a rather random place in that thread that doesn't tell you what the new item even is! Looking through the thread to try to determine what's being advertised and whether you would be interested. And there are so many too, it's hard to guess which ones you might want.

And also the idea of using the word "slot" as a verb that means "buy" is very weird in itself. I still can't quite bring myself to use it! I always just say "I'd like a (whatever thing it is) please" instead.

So this incomprehensibility makes it kind of intimidating to players who are used to the simplicity of the regular "shop search" which lets you buy things directly from the search results.

I realize there's a link to buy the item from the shop search now (if you press the "Go" button it takes you to a version of the shop with just that item shown). But there's no indication of the "Official Price" on the item even though there's an official price in the store; there's no indication when you do the shop search of how many are left; and there's no way to buy it directly from the search results if it's in a custom wearable shop. I think all those things would simplify the experience by making it less confusing. Also it looks the same in the results of the search whether it's "locked" and requires invitations to buy, or not.

Discord is actually pretty easy to use (and it's not a "site" - it's a web application and/or an app - you can get to any discord server via a link if there's an open invitation). And has features that Subeta does not. But I understand people might not want to join it.

It would be nice if Subeta had a threaded private chat. As it is, you can't really hold a discussion easily in Subeta because of the limitations of sMail and forums and profile-commenting. You also can't do push-notifications in Subeta. You can't paste images into Subeta. And all those limitations get an end run by using Discord which does allow pasting images to share them, threaded private messages, and push notification.

And atticus, I understood that the CW discord was considered 'full' and wasn't allowing more creators at one time? So maybe not everyone thought an even bigger discord for more creators would be good...

aw, that's sweet of you, thanks for the ping and reaching out, I wouldn't know how to be social on discord though, I tried a long time ago and things were too fast for me ;_;

that's because I update my public shop's first post to make things easier for people to find but no one slots or posts so it hasn't received an update or post since "June" (since I can't double post) haha, if it sounds like I'm sour, I'm not; I just wanted to post to show people from outside the community that really there's more to the community than they're seeing

I don't get how discussion is hampered on subeta? like look at this thread, pages and paragraphs of replies already and the board is like what less than 2 days old? you can post images on subeta? like I'm sorry for being dense here but I think the main issue seems to be subeta looks clunkier than discord but still offers the same versatility (mail, forums, etc)