I used to enjoy this feature, but I don't anymore. Here's my TED Talk on how to improve it.
Lose the pet image requirement. The reason it was implemented makes little sense, and if Keith wants to make this more like Charahub like he's implied, we shouldn't be restricted to having the pet image in there somewhere. It's the one thing keeping me from participating in spotlight, because it fucking sucked to have a pet in the queue for over a year to just have them kicked out because of a new requirement I couldn't easily implement because of the character limit. I don't want to spend another year in the queue just to have something similar happen again, and to have a staff member say I should cut content from my pet to make space for a new rule (which isn't an exaggeration by the way - this was literally said by a staff member).
Require proper permissions and credit for images not created by the user or the folks they commissioned. Like said, there's a lot of instances where winners have used art without permission, uncredited photographs/patterns/etc, or improperly credited to a website that stole the work from someone else. This has been a reoccurring issue despite the fact that it's been pointed out in the past in comments and through tickets. This is something that should be taken seriously, and generally, I've gotten the vibe that staff doesn't particularly care about stolen works. Require proper permissions with proper context given. Using someone's else art as your character? You need to tell them that explicitly, not just ask if you can use their art on a webpage.
Remove wins from pets when adopted or abandoned. OR an option to remove a win manually. I've adopted pets with wins, and if I wanted to enter spotlight with them, I wouldn't be able to without name swapping. I've also name swapped and had a character on a pet ID that won spotlight with a different character. I wish I could remove that.
Doubling down on 's unpopular opinion, which is also my unpopular opinion. Folks shouldn't be able to just buy their way to spotlight. I've seen arguments that folks come up with the concept themselves, but I've also seen people literally commission art/profiles/stories with "they're an [animal], you come up with the design/character personality/theme". You should at least have to write the story, code the profile, or make the artwork. That said, I don't think users should be nasty in pet spotlight comments about this. :^ )
Oh, I've been given denials in the past with no reason given. Denials should always have reasons. TBH I'm not even convinced staff looked at the pet despite me making a change to the pet color in order to fit the pet image requirement.
I'm just tossing in my votes with most of the things said here:
No required pet image: Personally speaking, this doesn't ruin the aesthetic that I'm going for with most of my characters, but it feels unnecessary. The pet is listed in the news post and the color/species info needs to be listed on the profile. I agree that if we are trying to be a (slightly strange) replacement for Charahub, this isn't a good rule to have anymore. I remember years ago there was some push from staff to not even refer to your pets as "pets" but as "characters" and I loved that. It was one of the things that made me think of Subeta as a place where I belonged.
Adjusting the queue: It would be really great if some pets weren't stuck in the queue for four years while another owner's pets are winning every two weeks. "Random" generators and coding often shows a pattern of bias if you watch it closely and if users are seeing a lot of this, it might be time for staff to step in and influence it a little.
Getting people to nominate your pet: Let's be real, most people break this rule off-site anyway by asking their friends. For those people who don't have a lot of friends yet that they can turn to, there should be some easier, non-spammy way that they can ask. I'm not fond of a voting system, but I don't see why we can't have a board. If staff is worried about that increasing the number of nominees too drastically, perhaps the cooldown between nominations can be extended or something else can be done.
Proper credit and usage: This one should be a no-brainer, there's nothing to add here that hasn't been said but I think it's one of the most important points to be brought up.
Removing the trophy: I'd like to see this as well as pet likes automatically removed when a pet leaves your account. There's no reason they should cross over to the new owner.
Work by the owner: Of the things that have been said, this is probably the only thing I disagree with. We generally accept that not everyone can draw or code but start to lose it over stories written by someone else and I don't think that's a fair place to draw the line for a number of reasons I won't go into here. I like that the PS helps support creative users, no matter what their talents are, particularly since this feature is only meant to showcase well-done, completed pets/characters and not what the owner is personally capable of. The pets that really stand out and have a lot of work done by the owner typically receive far more comments which should be validating enough. The PS doesn't give out anything of value, the owner isn't even mentioned in the News post and it misses the point to get caught up on what someone did or didn't do.
nghh i disagree with the idea of requiring someone to do at least one thing on their pets and not just commissioning everything ;;
some people just don't enjoy writing/coding/drawing and i feel like the spotlight should be about just having fun and working on pets, hence why it's random and not a competition with voting and whatnot. so if someone enjoys working on their pets by commissioning everything i don't think their win is worth less, you feel?
generally speaking i'm against anything that makes spotlight more... idk restrictive?? is that the word lmao
also i 100% support what suggested about not requiring other users to nominate your pets! the alternatives i can see for this are either
i LOVE THIS tbh; something like this would be really great
I haven't got a pet in the queue at the moment (seeing as I've not managed to finish any of their stories yet :P), but out of my 24 winners, some were in the queue for over a year (one was over two years) before they won. If the random thing was altered (somehow), or at least made that x months was the limit for a pet to be in the queue before it can win (so any that were in for say 8 months would be automatically listed as the next ones to be the winners), then that would help.
I agree that the pet image requirement should be dropped. I had previously left it off Error 502's profile, as it didn't really fit - I didn't feel he needed the pet image to be visible for his character. To have to add it in just so he would qualify to be spotlight-worthy? Yes I did it (I wanted him to be able to win the spotlight), but it just felt excessive and unnecessary.
If a pet is abandoned or adopted, then I agree the spotlight trophy should be removed. Or maybe it could change to a 'legacy' trophy, which would link to the spotlight page saying that the pet had previously won, but now had a new owner. At least make it so those adopted pets can be entered for the spotlight again.
I found that putting my finished pet as my leashed pet worked to get them nominated before, but any way of making nominations easier to get (without resorting to asking friends to look over the pet and hope they nominate it!) would be appreciated. I like 's idea of a page showing all pets that are open for nomination but not yet nominated :)
However, I do not think that making it a requirement for either the art, coding or story to be done by the owner would be a wise idea. While most of my spotlight winners had at least one of those done by myself, I do have a couple where the story was written by someone else, and the coding was commissioned. I suck at 'good enough' art, wasn't feeling creative enough for the coding, and had a total block on the story (and the person who wrote it, did a much better job than I would've done!). Not everyone is (or feels) talented in any of those ways, but if they have a really interesting pet, why shouldn't it be eligible to win the spotlight? After all, it's a pet spotlight, not a Subeta user talent contest to prove we have those skills.

sorry for the randomness of the question, how do you nominate someone else's pet?
I promise I am reading through these guys! I will start putting some into the categories this weekend. I really do like the idea of putting up eligible pets for others to read :) that would really be neat and helpful for those who are more introverted or those who just don't talk on the forums.
In terms of the double winners, I wanted to ask a question. One user mentioned that they felt that if there was more than one winner in a day, that would take away from their win. Do you guys feel that way? Like lets say that the only way we can do double winners is to give out both at the same time, would this create a problem if a really good one wins and then one wins that not as many people like? I could imagine that a user would click on the comments and none are for their pet and they would be upset.
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i'm indifferent to the multiple pets a day idea, but if it does get implemented i would not want to see both pets in the same news post ;; i 100% agree that it would be really disheartening if the post has a ton of comments but they're only for one pet
having one winner at midnight and another at noon/some other time would be best i think when it comes to double wins!
basically if you make one of your pets eligible for spotlight a link that says 'nominate pet for spotlight' shows up on their profile, you can't see it but other people can and nominate them that way c:
I would rather see the queue adjusted to pick pets that have been in it for a long time than see multiple pets a day. There are many winners already who get less than 10 comments when positive feedback is a big motivator for a lot of people. I would hate to see that number dwindle to just a couple for each pet but I'm sure it would happen if we had multiple winners each day.
That might be me you’re talking about. To clarify, it’s not that I think it would ‘take away’ from someone’s win, but that winners rarely get much attention as it is. There are a lot of generic comments and even some nonsensical or unrelated ones, which makes me wonder how many people even looked at the profile or read the story.
I want pets to win in a timely manner and I don’t think multiple wins per day is a bad idea, but I’m concerned that there might be spotlight fatigue. Maybe we need a way to showcase them besides just a news announcement to help visibility.
I’m not really a pet person or into stories, characters, and profiles, but it just kind of seems sad when a lovely profile is spotlighted and it goes unnoticed. And yes, that’s even for profiles that have 3-4 people who have worked on different aspects of them.
This isn't really related to the pet spotlight itself, but could there be a site feature to randomly showcase pets who are ready to be nominated/voted on? Kind of like the random human avatar on the front page, but maybe stick it on the news page itself so it's viewable to people who are already logged in. That way there could be a bit more visibility for pets owned by quieter users who aren't as talkative or able to "campaign" for votes.
I don't like the idea of multiple wins in a day. I agree that I think it would be disheartening to win on a day that someone more popular wins, so you get 2 comments when they get 60.
And I'm saying this as someone who usually got a bunch of comments when I won.
I wrote up a rant about my almost-old-enough-to-drive pet and my experiences with waiting multiple years in multiple queues with multiple staff in charge to see if it'd win. Spoiler alert, it never did. But, I sure spent a lot of years foolishly hoping that it might, only to have it randomly removed several times after several years of waiting, due to staff changes, the queue being emptied, etc, BUT never an actual reason why it shouldn't. Years of my life wasted on hope. never again (Like anyone would care about that, right? ha.)
BUT IF YOU DO
Let me tell you a story about the random pet selector for Spotlight.
I used to mess with pet profiles years ago under the naive hope of getting the pet spotlight. I'm talking like, after that idea came out and it was suddenly a thing that could happen. There were a lot fewer people, profiles were a lot more basic, hell, people would win with a bit of art and the dictionary definition of the word their pet happened to be named, that sort of thing.
I had a year and a half (maybe 2?) of one guy being in the queue. I was so excited to see when I noticed it had been nominated; I rarely would post, I don't even know how someone found it, I was pretty happy with the profile, I thought that it was fun, I loved (and still do) what I did with the pet treasure (it's kind of a standard thing now, but at the time, I didn't see anyone else doing it), I thought "oh! how nice that would be to log in and see that it's won!" etc.
Then, they cleared the queue (to start over for some reason), it was nominated again (though I think one of my friends did it that time).
Which lead to another year plus of WAITING and MAYBE and HOPE every single day thinking: "hey! maybe my thing will win this time? Will today be the day?"
...
Only for a new staff member to take over and then my pet being almost instantly removed, (like a day later). So. Wow, right? Was my guy even actually in a winner's queue or was it just waiting to be looked at ALL THAT TIME and it didn't suit the taste of the new person? Who knows. And, it was a time before you got feedback about why a thing is no longer in the queue. (which I think exists now? maybe not. eh.)
So. That really killed any interest I had in actually doing things on here. I have barely bothered with any of it since then... the last... 10 years or so? That seems a little too long, but it has been a while. I don't have a reason to code in html or css anymore, & I'm rusty as hell at it. Why bother? It'd be a waste of time and nothing is ever going to come from it.
The worst thing, and I do mean the absolute WORST THING? is, occasionally I'll think: "wouldn't it be fun if...?" usually after someone point out that "{I} write interesting things" or "have good ideas" or "why aren't you published yet?" and then I start looking stuff up, write something out. Only to remember: "NO. NO IT WOULD NOT BE FUN. DO NOT BOTHER YOU IDIOT." Plus, there's a bunch of rules now and... man, why would I mess with learning all of that just to wait more years for nothing to happen? Or worse, waiting years and then getting rejected from the queue for some arbitrary reason? Screw that.
And, I realized that pet is almost old enough to DRIVE now. Damn, man. Dude's going to get its licence before it'd ever win anything on this site./rant So, I'm just going to hoard names and not do a thing with them because that is making me happy now. haha. And, seeing this reminded me to go make sure that all of my pets were turned off for nominations still, which they are. Good. I am completely and utterly soured on the thing as a whole; what do you even win anyway? A little pic with a date stamp, a handful of comments in the news post? (unless they're well known user who wins a lot, their pet's a well known fan-pet, or they have really nicely commissioned artwork, no one really cares and there's no changing that. haha.)
So. Ideas. Mostly sarcastic, but ideas I'd typed up when seeing the thing in the other forum.
because i type too damn much
-value user's time (the big one)
other than that.
-doubled/tripled/etc'd up fri-weekend winners or even every single day more winners. Or a 'pet week' with more winners per day at the start of the month or something. ("but that makes wins less special" nothing about this is special. it's all random chance & dictated by the whims of a few and what they like. Are you well know, do you post a lot, do you have friends? there's a better chance that you'll win if you do.)
-for the love of god, start time stamping pets when they're "good enough." If they've been in the winner queue for over a year? at least double their chances of being selected. Or, you know, some sort of system like that, but over time. Time stamp all existing ones as today and go from there. This'll work better if you start getting them cleared out sooner than later too or we'll have an issue a year from now. :[b]p (so, yeah, I'm jokingly saying to put everything else aside and just rewrite how the pet spotlight functions.)
-a pet has to be in the actual "it can be posted a winner" queue (not some sub queue) over a month before it can win. DO NOT TELL US IF YOU DO THIS. JUST DO. ("but why wait longer? I thought you hated that?" because it's a joke to others who wait years to see someone win in days and they'll mention it. I remember around the time I got sick of this, some staff member's pet won and they'd mentioned that it'd only been nominated a few days ago?! I get 'random chance' but ugh. You will never convince me that there wasn't some bias behind that of "Look! I know X! Their pets are always good, I don't need to check it that much. 'to the possible winners queue it goes ahead of other user's pets' " Oh and don't tell us what the "over a month is" just do it so we can have the illusion of sanity with this mess.)
-people only being allowed to have so many of their pets in the queue at a time... let's make it 2. You can only have 2 dudes in queue now, so choose your characters wisely. ("but what about people with pets over 'some random number'?" hell if I care, remove them. they'll probably be removed for some reason anyway. 2. dudes. only. you're already scraping up the wins, allow other people to get in on it too. :p )
-people need to do at least ONE THING on their pet in order to win. No, just managing and owning a thing while farming out the bits shouldn't count. You can do a one thing. Get them a cool and related treasure chest of things they'd like. There. You've done something. Then again, how would one even be sure to check? People can just lie in the credits or something and it seems like having staff check up on it is just going to make this take even longer. --It's the same for proper credits check. If I find someone's cool tumbr of free-use backgrounds, maybe they stole some of that shit? (even if it all looks the same) How am I or staff to know everything? Should every image be searched for? Sure, that makes sense on the micro (one pet), but not on the macro(hundreds of pets). People have multiple usernames and use multiple site. I can only do my best and never get images from WickedCulPhoneBGs.net or whatever. :p
-only allowing a user win once every 3-6-12 months or so. Give more people a shot at this. ("but that's not fair/fun." Yeah, nothing about this is fair OR fun. have you not noticed? this is pet spotlight, where people want it to just be their characters, which, hell, maybe the site's going to anyway? I'd be fine if it was changed to just Spotlight or Character Spotlight instead because this hasn't been only about 'pets' in ages. And, really, it might be kind of boring if it was)
-or, just go nuclear and clear out that entire queue and start over AGAIN. It's happened before, do it again. No one will be happy and that's how this works. This is Pet Spotlight, it is already a nightmare & you are never going to win.
Really, though. I am happy this is being looking into. Because I hate this, and I don't really hate anything! :( But. This? I hate. I hate it so much. Maybe, just maybe, some sort of change or something else would give more users a shot at winning this crap more often. Or, at least churn through that year of already existing dudes quicker and hopefully make some random people happy too.
Because, in all seriousness, this should be a happy and enjoyable part of the site, it should showcase neat things that people do with their pets/characters!, not something that can ultimately feel like an absolute waste of time as your hope dies a slow death. Of course, there's enough people around now that it probably wouldn't make a difference regardless of what's done. ha!
tl;dr: Pet Spotlight is the worst and I have only bad things to say about it because I stay bitter FOREVER and should never try again. :p [sub](even though I kind of want to. [sub]I just don't want to waste my time on something that will never happen for unknowable reason.)[/sub][/sub]
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Here are a few of my thoughts on the spotlight. Some of them are piggy-backing on the ideas of others:
people only being allowed to have so many of their pets in the queue at a time
I like this idea. Making pet profiles is supposed to take time anyways.
I also like the idea for thematic days like having two kumos selected because I feel like it's a reason for there to be 2 winners.
for the Judging Committee, maybe we could have a group checking the basics (credits, etc) at the very least
you're not safe even with a "giant background & one div with a dictionary definition and two lines of text" pet. i have one of those and she's been "nominated!" since last august at least. this isn't meant as dig at you, more of a "? i hate seeing her "nominated!" badge and i want to pull her out but that would feel like an even bigger waste of time and now i'm just mildly irritated about it and never doing this again" kind of commiseration p:
anyway! +1 to requiring better credit for art from outside sources there's really no excuse to be using stolen or uncredited art taken from background websites when we've got access to sites like unsplash that provide high quality images for free.
+1 to a page where we can see pets up for nomination, but make it opt-in. like, you put your pet up for noms and then get a second radio button for putting them on the page. some people turn the nomination setting on to check positioning for profiles/profile commissions, etc. it'd be a little weird to have those pets pop on and off the page, you know?
+1 to clearing trophies and likes when a pet is abandoned or adopted out.
-1 to requiring a user to have a hand in creating the pet's story/profile/art/whatever. is a profile that was entirely purchased that something i like seeing? no. is it something i dislike enough to say people who enjoying doing things that way should be disqualified? also no. i'd argue that it should stay, though i guess i'm mostly ambivalent.
and this one's kind of small potatoes, but let pets with no gender qualify for spotlight. i mean the broken ones with no marker. they don't currently qualify for spotlight, and staff talked about Discussing It Further, but as far as i know, the matter was never resolved publicly.
So, yes! There's nothing at all wrong with a sort of standard and if I might come off that way, I don't mean to! (I probably could have phrased it better than 'cookie cutter' ha.) It can look really good and is easy enough to do. It just made me really sad to see that there might be more of a reason for it & that being "harder to check" might give people an even bigger disadvantage at something already so stressful. :(
Also thought of a better word for users who outsource their pet creation process: "curator" because that's pretty much what that is. I think I threw out 'manager' before. ha.
[sub]& I have to laugh at the people checking out my pets and crap today. I hope you were all as [sup]super disappointed[/sup] with them as I am. haha.[/sub]
Big no to multiple winners per day, I feel that would really detract from letting everyone have their pet's time in the spotlight! It can be disheartening enough to get little recognition on a win, I can't imagine how much worse it would feel to get little recognition on the same day that someone else wins and potentially gets plenty of comments. orz;
I like the idea of there being a page of pets for nomination up! However, if that's the case, can something be changed so that people can see some kind of text related to spotlight on their pet profiles without having to either enable pet spotlight for the pet, then open an incognito tab of the profile to see how the text looks, or move the whole pet profile onto another pet? Sometimes it can be hard to judge how the nomination bit looks on the completed profile without any text or anything. v_v;
