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Jan 12, 2019 7 years ago
Paramnesia
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I often see people asking about what type of scrolls should they use in Tier XYZ, but thats really not a question that makes a lot of sense. The real question is what should you attempt to use based on how much AP you have, and how much sP you have. The other thing to keep in mind is that the scroll system is really incredibly simple at the moment when you look at what I call the effetive scroll pool. There are tons of scrolls available, but from T1 to capped T13, there are really only a handful of scrolls worth using, and many of those are either unobtainable or extremely expensive. This is probably a somewhat controversial topic, which is why I titled it as my scroll guide, and not wanting to title it as the definitive scroll guide. I think there will probably be some differing opinions on this topic. There are scrolls that some people swear by, that I think are trash and did not put in here.

That being said here is what I think the effective scroll pool is:

God Scrolls [Item=Tasseled Aegis Scroll][Item=Mana Surge Scroll][Item=Maelstrom Scroll] Included for completeness. These are the best 3 scrolls in the game, they are incredibly limited and extremely expensive in the billions, and Maelstrom probably not being obtainable. For the price, they really are pretty mediocre upgrades over the next best thing, but they are the best.

Early Multiple Use Scrolls [Item=Lights of Sprites Scroll][Item=Soothing Current Scroll] These are the two best scrolls early on. Lights scroll is availible as loot. for beating Eclipse, Wilowisp, and Pock, Saper and Riscors 200 times each with a single pet. Champion scroll can be a early replacement until you can win a LoSS for yourself.

Demi-God Scrolls [Item=Aftershocks Scroll][Item=Ocean Currents Scroll][Item=Triple Threat Scroll] These 4 are going to be the workhorses of most sets. These are the best and most cost effective scrolls out there. Divine Denizen is good early on, but starts to get outclassed by the other 3. In the very early game though, it can give you the best survivability against a wide range of opponents, where the damage and higher heal % become more important as you get past Tier 7-8.

Useable Multiuse scrolls - I guess? [Item=Feather Explosion Scroll][Item=Skelly Scroll][Item=Swift Blade Scroll] These 3 scrolls are relatively rare, generally have a flaw (such as higher AP cost or lower heal rates) than the Demi-God class, but are useable if you won them or were given them. In most cases the Demi-God scrolls are just better. These are useable, but I would never go out looking for one of them for battle purposes. (That said, someone sell me a Swift Blade Scroll for my collection :P)

OPB Healing Scrolls [Item=Morosbane Scroll][Item=Gift of the Forj Scroll] These are great with smaller pets and Gift of the Forj are still useable very late as well. Morosbane is usually outclassed once you get close to 3K HP when your multi use scroll heals for about 300 anyways. Gift of the Forj will probably never get completely outclassed by the multi use scroll, but only healing for 100-300 extra starts to become underwhelming in the late game. Gale force scroll is a more readily availible healing scroll from the battle shop if you have extra AP and not enough. It's the worst of the three by far though.

Freezing Scrolls [Item=Perilous Whirlpool Scroll][Item=Cold Blast Scroll][Item=Shriek of Despair Scroll][Item=Psycho Smasher Scroll][Item=Strong Stomp Scroll] Freezing scrolls always have a utility. Most people will build a set of only freezing scrolls + a Constant. I was reluctant to include perilous whirlpool in this group. It is only useable in the lower tiers, where you are willing to lose 30+ battles for a single win where an extra freeze could push things over the edge in your favor.

For the rest of the freezing scrolls, they are all essentially the same, you just need as many of them as you can afford an as you can fit on a pet.

Blocking Scrolls [Item=Cobalt Eternal Scroll][Item=Sancturia Exodin scroll][Item=The Void Scroll] These are usable on the extremes of tiers. Cobalts/Sancts can be useful generally in lower tiers, or if you have few AP points, but in mid range tiers they become outclassed by the healing scrolls. The void on the other hand is really probably only useful to people with 400+ AP and a capped pet. As you get closer to 10K HP, 1500 HP starts to become less and less of a premium over your multi use scroll and you end up really only needing the multi use scroll or The Voids. My 625 AP pet has TA Scroll and 12 Voids equiped.

General Tips/Strategies Once you look at the effective scroll pool, you should try to get a feel of how much AP you have, and that can loosely guide what type of scrolls you want. If you look at Subetalodge's book list you can get 30 AP (480 books) for ~20mil or less. I'm not saying that you shouldn't battle until you hit 30AP, but what I would say is that if you are serious about battling long term. Take 2 hours and crank out this mundane task early in your battle career and make it much easier on yourself. I would argue that for T1 pets, a very cost effective strategy would be to go straight to 35 AP.

Early on Lights of Sprites scroll is the best scrolls on very small pets but you very quickly outgrow them. Soothing Current Scroll is decent for midrange pets to try and squeeze in more OPB healers/Blockers in. In the Early game if you hit the 36 AP breakpoint you can go with a setup of: LOSS, Morosbane, Morosbane, and transition to Soothing current, Morosbane, Morosbane, and then as you work your AP up, you can go shoot for the 45 AP breakpoint and upgrade to Aftershocks, Morosbane, Morosbane.

Alternatively you could go the Cobalt/Sanct route with the same 38AP and do this: LOSS, C/S, C/S, C/S, C/S and then upgrade to Soothing Current, C/S, C/S, C/S, C/S at 38 AP

Or another option would be: LOSS, C/S, C/S, Morosbane and then upgrade to Soothing Current, C/S, C/S, Morosbane at 37AP.

Beyond these few low AP set ups - scroll set ups really become all about getting the best multiuse scroll combined with the most possible once per battle scrolls, and I would argue that its generally better to either freeze or to heal/Defend, but that generally misinx healing/defending with freezing is not as powerful of a strategy, unless you have more AP than you have scrolls that you can use.

The last thing I would caution against would be buying too many cobalt/Sanct scrolls. I don't think they are that good. I would caution buying any at all without a compelling plan to use them.

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Jan 13, 2019 7 years ago Official
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Vince

You got it 👍

Jan 13, 2019 7 years ago
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Captain Beatd0wn

BTW

Anything you would add/subtract?

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Jan 14, 2019 7 years ago
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Rengar

geez thanks dude, I've been battling with my T9 pet all this time with nothing but a screams from the pit, picked up a cheap triple threat and it's great

Jan 14, 2019 7 years ago
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Thanks for putting this together! I would take out the champion scroll and swap it with which I would say is the best early on, low AP scroll. It has a small defense, attack and heals for 40 HP, infinite use.

can be really good if you don't have a lot of AP for freezing scrolls or if you don't have a lot of freezing scrolls. The only downside is that it relies on speed and is not worth it if you are not aiming for a build with 4k+ speed.

I would add . Dark and fire are common blocks and it's really useful if you don't have a dark or fire blocking weapon in your set.

Jan 14, 2019 7 years ago
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I have 30ish fatal fire scrolls, and I never really found a truely good use for them. I think cobalt/Sancts usually outshine them, and even then I have some reservations about cobalts sancts either way.

Unstable Fairy is actually kinda interesting. I hadn't looked at it since capping. I'm not sure I would consider it unless you hit 5K though. If your going to mess around with something that finiky, I think you need to have pure benefit from it.

I'll throw lights of sprites in as well. I'm not sure its a 1:1 replacement though. I think they would probably both stay in.

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Jan 14, 2019 7 years ago
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Champion only heals 12 HP compared to 40 HP lights of sprites does. Lights of sprites also defends against light/dark and deals 7-8 light. Unless I am missing something, I would say champion is outclassed.

Cobalt and sanc are good if your opponent does a range of icons you can't block fully against, but have the chance to only defend against 15 icons of a particular element. Fatal fire has a more consistent block for dark and fire, with the added bonus of having a good attack. It definitely depends on what weapons you are using in battle though.

Jan 14, 2019 7 years ago
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Ya nvm on LOSS, I was mistaken, I changed the guide. I'll fix the tips section tomorrow. Probably should recommend going to 36-38AP initially.

I guess what I would say on fatal fire, I want to see some specific math where it helps. The problem I run into with it is that you need to have enough AP to use tons of them, and then pick your 2 constants around that assumption, or it needs to be much better than C/S/morosbane/GoTF for the price, which I don't think it does. Or the opponents third and fourth most common icons need to be fire and magma AND need to be used consistently enough for you to rely on them being there.

In theory it could be a powerful scroll, I just don't think the condistions that could make it good, exist.

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Jan 14, 2019 7 years ago
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Akaw

this really should get pinned thank you for always going out of your way to help battlers

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Jan 14, 2019 7 years ago
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Ok I thought about it some more and all the instances where I chose fatal fire over cobalt/sanc. The only times I could think of was against opponents that disable one weapon. It does appear to only be helpful against a handful of opponents and is more of a luxury scroll for when you have more AP than you know what to do with. However I also own an ME so I’m not sure if there are situations where a modded PBB with fatal fire would be better than cobalt for dark blocking

Jan 20, 2019 7 years ago
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I'm glad you think like that about the blocking scrolls. I bought a Cobalt and a Sanct because all the guids always seem to recommend them. But I never seem to find the right opportunity to use them over my healing scroll, except for a few healing disabled battles. Granted, having one of each is probably not very effective. But I never found the justification to buy a ton of them.


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Dec 28, 2021 4 years ago
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i have 48 AP to use and im currently using 1 Aftershocks Scroll alongside 2 Shrieks, is this the best way to go about ? or do you have other suggestions to improve my scroll setup, i currently just reached Tier 3

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Dec 29, 2021 4 years ago
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I would pick up 2 Morosbane Scrolls while they are cheap, and then you would use Aftershocks + 2 Morosbane or Aftershocks + 2 Shrieks depending on the opponent.

If you have money burning a hole in your pocket, Lucky Scrolls or Gift of the Forj Scrolls are the other options (you would need like 5 more AP to fit 2 lucky scrolls though.). Lucky and GoTF are probably overkill for you right now though.

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Dec 29, 2021 4 years ago
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thank you for responding, i will work on getting 2 Morosbane then, i just picked one up for a discount yesterday hopefully i find another one

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Jul 26, 2023 2 years ago
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Thanks for the information in first post! I really needed the help.

Edit: 8/26/2023

THESOVEREIGN What are the best healer and defend scrolls for a tier 13 pet?

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