A lot of pets people already have 70+ slots, myself included. Allowing people to get even more slots, for cheaper would break the pool of 'good' names, which is something extremely important for a lot of pet people. Names are probably THE most 'valuable' things for pet people on this site

With people having so many slots already, the pool of 'good' names is already quite small. Lowering the price of slots would only accelerate the process of no more good names being available.

I think 2000 CSC is fair, pet slots should be something big that you work for. Be glad it's not 5000 CSC anymore and that you get get 15 slots for what is the equivalent of 500-1800 CSC with the MC slots

Quests (including the sales of given items) gives you ~10mill per day. That makes four days to save up for a MC slot. Even with a non GA you can easily buy one MC slot per week.

I think 1500CSC would be enough though.

20 is plenty fair enough in my opinion. Pet slots are a permanent addition to your account when you get one, and they are always available to you if you haven't already bought them.

Plus there are the Millionaire Center pet slots if you don't wanna spend CSC.

20$ for 1 slot is a lot, let's be honest..

I always compare it to video games prices, I bought Rayman for the Switch for 20$..

It's just overpriced and expensive to what you actually get..

I'm here to lower the price but if it made as a direct payment and not with CSC... I don't think it would be ok to just buy CSC from others and get a pet slot..

So I suggest this: a direct paypal/other payment with a discount and regular 2k CSC payment

And Subeta is already struggling, lower the price will make more people to spend and more money to Subeta.. sometimes it's better to make something a bit cheaper so you gain more, instead of sitting on the branch and waiting for the money to roll once in a while..

MC slots go up in price, they aren't static o: I think they start at 20m and go up by 20m until 200m at which point they reset or something.

That's not necessarily true, especially since pet slots don't exist until it's purchased, so it's not like it's sitting in place of another product that could sell better or expiring. Staff would need to do a survey or something to gauge interest to see if there would be enough people to buy the pet slots to make it worthwhile to discount.

I'm ok with a survey, maybe it's fine to see the opinion of the userbase and see where are we standing :)

I just see 20$ as too much, it's almost 3 hours of working in a minimum wage in the US (in other countries even more) and for an extra pet.. it's unrealistic.. especially when you can buy many full video games for that price and even many currency in mobile games and still get more..

I tend to think it's too much too, but I also have $50 on my rewards card and I spent $100ish (almost?) on my last one. When I think about it like that... I really can't say anything. It's even worse for me because I'm Canadian, so the exchange rate kind of kicks me in the butt sometimes.

But yeah, for every person who thinks $20 is too much, there's probably another who has bought it at $20. It's hard to say.

Ah, okay. Didn't know that :)

@ jmarie453 x) Believe me, people will find ways to be salty about anything, and I'm one of them. I'm capped on slots and I would like this instead of a straight out price cut, but I feel that I'm not exactly a good baseline for the pet part of the community.

Either a gradual increase, or gradual decrease in price could potentially be interesting, I think. So start at 2k for a petslot, go down to 1750 after 10 purchases, 1500 after 10 more, and then it stops & doesn't get reset. A reward for buying petslots, if you will. If it applies to people who have already bought petslots - well, there's the petslot discount OP was requesting. The max you can get for CSC is 35 slots, I believe? At least going by my dashboard, but I've been here in ye olden times when a GA was required to use extra slots, so don't quote me on the max for CSC slots.

I would really like to hear input from staff on how much space/data/load pets take up and if this would even be plausible to consider. :X Especially pets with heftier TCs (100+ items), or for people like me who have like... waytoomany pets. [sub]@ amber -cough- Can ye shed some light?[/sub]

@ marlboro No thank you on discounts for things only bought for real cash.

Let's not start dividing the userbase into those who have money to spend on virtual currency and those who don't.

The CSC that I buy from user shops is something someone bought with real cash. So because I'd rather buy food and pay my bills IRL and I don't have the means to spend money on a f2p site I enjoy playing, I'm supposed to get a big old "sucks to be you HAHA"?

Subeta also wouldn't be hiring new staff if it was struggling, imo.

Yes, you can absolutely buy a crapton of video games during holiday sales (especially for PC on services like Steam and GOG), but I don't think it's really fair, or possible to compare a video game to Subeta to begin with.

Full release videogames are also an odd thing to compare, because most new games cost 20-60$+ (depending on the publisher), and that's not including DLCs, or the console/gaming rig you need to play said games. Most AAA PC games are also sold for 40-60$ while unfinished, or while missing many promised features, and you have to pay 10-20$ for every DLC that includes those promised features. Mobile games are built to be pay2win in most cases, or at least built to pull as much money out of a player's pocket through microtransactions because the player is impatient. Which is really scummy and shady, especially when the player base of said games consists of minors or young children. To say nothing of unbalancing the gameplay in favor of those who have cash to burn.

Even all that aside, you bought Rayman for the Switch for 20$. You also bought the Switch console for 300$, if not more if you got it during the original release rush. For every new game you want, you have to spend another 20$+. Meanwhile, you can theoretically play Subeta and access even its premium features without spending a single cent on the site, as long as you are willing to invest time into it.

Value changes rapidly with region and country. Your 20$ is worth 20$ in America. In other places, it can feed you for a week.

So yeah. I'm against that idea, and it's really not a good comparison to make.

Subeta has so far been treating its entire userbase equally independent of how much real money is in their pockets, and I would really like the site to continue doing just that.

Thanks for the reply :)

I would like to note a few things,

1. I think the CSC area is already divided: the weekend bonus items, the GA subscription discount and the Black Friday sales that gives 50% discount on many items

2. I understand your point but spending real money after a hard work at job > spending sp after a hard work in Subeta and I am too buying CSC here.

3. I compare the products actually and their value + the work on them and if it's justifying the price. You pay 20$ to maybe an unfinished game but you pay for: the artists, the scrit writers, developers, packaging, promoting and more And for the Switch I'm paying for a big service that created the Switch (the parts, the design etc) and it's justifying 300$ for me.

on the other hand you pay 20$ for 1 pet slot that only required a coding that happened many years ago. So when I compare those criteria, there's nothing that justifying the price of the pet slot.

And if we talk about mobile games, the area there is very greedy in general (companies like Ludia for example) but if I take a game with a smart and fair microtransactions formula like Pokemon Go, for 20$ I can buy 600 pokemon slots.

And let's not talk that Netflix, Spotify and other services are costing less than 20$ and you get a library of movies or songs..

So in my opinion, it's really overpriced and there's no real justification for this price and this is the reason why I'm not buying CSC anymore, the last time was 3 years ago.. it's just too much, I love Subeta with all my heart but it's still not Apple..

I understand that you are not agreeing with me and it's totally fine, I'm just giving my point of view on this matter hugs :)

👍 We're good, no worries! But yeah.

Weekend bonus items can be purchased from the cash shop with the same CSC that you buy from user shops. Anyone with user-bought CSC can take part in a Black Friday sale. The CSC purchase weekend gives you bonus CSC if you pay real money and one of the free weekend bonus items, depending on the service you use. The people who buy CSC from user shops still benefit from it because hey - it lowers CSC prices a little! I'd have to do the math to see if the cash GA subscription discount matches the CSC purchase one for a whole year (+ including the discount you get for the "your GA will expire in 3 days!" event warning), and I am not keen on it at 2:30am. ;P

Netflix is 20$ for a library in the US. In my country, you barely get anything in terms of shows and it is absolutely not worth the monthly subscription. :/ The same goes for mobile games - I can do nothing with an extra 600 pokemon slots in Pokemon Go if nobody in my area is really playing the game and if the pokemon spawn miles away from me. Again - I can't really compare them to Subeta because of very different experiences with those services due to regional differences.

The 20$ for the pet slot helps fund the site, likely including the server load and anything else that the pet you've gotten needs in terms of data storage, and whatnot. The coding might be older, but the cost for the service required to "host" that pet slot remains. I don't know how Subeta distributes funding, but I sincerely doubt that the 20$ is only for the petslot. The money is likely to end up distributed wherever it's needed, which includes paychecks for staff.

If a discount like the one you're suggesting is implemented, anyone who bought CSC for any reason, even if they have it on their account after buying it with real money would get screwed out of the discount. Paypal takes a cut of any transaction anyway, afaik, and I don't know if Subeta has the infrastructure in place to accept and process direct payments - I kind of doubt it otherwise they wouldn't be using Paypal and Braintree.

Again - I am not against discounting pet slots in some way; I'm more leery of the consequences of just randomly discounting it, or discounting it exclusively for only one group of people. I want to keep it fair and available to everyone. CSC is CSC - the only way it enters the system in a very significant amount is through real money purchases.

I'm hesitant to change the prices of pet slots because that's why we did the Millionaire Center slots, so people had a way to work up towards a new slot or two without having to spend CSC. Like some users have pointed out, you can get CSC with sP if you quest/restock/bathhouse etc.

I don't have that data available atm but I can def look into it!

Thank you for replying! If it's not too much trouble, could you look into it when you find the time? Because as much as I love petslots, they can't be very light on the site. :'D

That's also an excellent idea! The site needs money to run and I imagine that would bring more in.

A survey sounds like an awesome idea!

Doesn't really matter what type of decrease, I'm just gung ho for a decrease that isn't permanent. I do foresee repercussions with a lowered price across the board, but not as much with a tiered or limited approach. The cash-only option would indeed cause a stir, but I'm still for it.

$20 is a lot of money for a game item that can NEVER be transferred or resold should you quit. It's not an investment in your account if it is completely static and no longer has a monetary value. And for twenty buckaroos? I want something more than that. (To be clear, I do spend occasionally, but refuse to purchase pet slots. $10 would make me buy some, even if it were only limited to a couple.)

Even a super special slot that allows a player (for 2,000 csc) to make a new pet slot and turn that pet into whatever they want would be an acceptable compromise. wiggles eyebrows at the angelic potions

I see petslots as a permanent account upgrade rather than a game item. Once you buy the petslot, it's yours forever. Nothing will take it away, it doesn't expire. If you stop playing and come back later, you'll still have all the petslots you've ever bought. The only way you can lose the petslots is if you get your account frozen and you don't come back to the site.

ngl, I would like a sort of bonus package with the colouring + petslot, but hrm... I feel that they might be better off lowering the prices for angelic potions altogether. :'| 750CSC for one is... a bit much, and they're currently in shops for ~60m/600csc. I don't know how many are bought vs. won from the potion lottery on a monthly basis, so it might be something worth considering. Maybe give the user a free Miracle Potion for every 5 petslots bought? Kinda doubt that those get purchased as much too, but I don't have the data on it so I'm making assumptions. I feel that pet name swaps and pet renames are too expensive, but I spend CSC on them anyway because I'm picky about pet IDs. I don't think a pet ID resurrector is something that'd be possible coding-wise because of how the site handles pet IDs, even though many pet folks would likely sell their kidney for one. Unlike names, IDs don't go back into circulation if an account goes inactive. It's kind of an "I want to have my cake and eat it too" situation with petslots too, I think.

I still do not think it would be good for the site to cater exclusively to people who do have the money to spend by giving them a discount. For example: if you direct-buy a petslot for 15$ with the suggested cash-only discount, you're not going to have 500CSC left over on your account to distribute back into the site's economy. You spent 15$ straight away - you're a happy camper because you got The Thing you wanted and you've saved 5$ that you can spend on something else IRL. There is no guarantee that they'll spend that 5$ on the site. The people who buy CSC from user shops are going to have to grind and pay more to get the same thing that you got for less. The imbalance doesn't sit well with me. Plus, I imagine CW makers would want the same treatment in terms of direct cash vs CSC purchases. And that's going to be a hot mess that I don't even want to think about right now. x-x Mind you, I can see the same kind of situation and discussion surfacing with CW makers and a tiered approach for petslot prices.

People don't like to have one group held above the other. It's why users regularly raise a justified fuss about pets being consistently put on the backburner and wearables being regularly churned out.

I'm just used to playing games that have tangible assets. I mean, not only is the slot worthless if you quit, so is the pet because you can only "adopt" out. You also can't even exchange your currency for another game. (NOT proposing pet sales at all, eww neo), but $20 for that is alot.

I don't see the point of miracle potions, they cost more than the most expensive potion lol. And I do believe angelic potions used to be 1500csc so I think they were already lowered. And I think miracle potions used to be in the 2k area? I may also be deranged...

It would cause an uproar, that I don't argue lol. But monetarily I think it would help the site get more cash in. I'm never buying a pet slot for $20, BUT I would spend that cash if there was a limited cheap slot or the one time potion perk we talked about. So it's not a matter of $5, it's more of subeta can get $10-$15 or they can get $0. I spend occasionally, but I never feel the need to "splurge"... the pet slot thing would change that quick xD

@ jmarie453 :'D I'm the opposite. I'm kind of used to games (not strictly online/web games) providing a means to upgrade the character, the inventory or other bits'n'bobs through various forms of currency or upgrades that can be obtained in-game. Subeta does provide a few other intangible assets that you pay real money/CSC for. Name changes, for example. GA perks too. You can't turn around and sell a GA after activating and you can't change your username back for free if you decide you don't like the new one after all. You have to pay another 1kCSC to change it.

You remember correctly and you're not deranged! xD They were way more expensive when they were first introduced. Prices were lowered and, depending on how sales are going, I really wouldn't mind another price cut for those potions. Because yeah, I don't see that much use for the Miracle Potion I and II either. Like, even if you adopt an angelic chai and you want it to be an angelic mahar, you're better off straight up buying the angelic potion because 1000CSC =/= 750CSC + restockable elixir. Even for experiment pets, you can just keep zapping, or keep using Experimental Dews unless you have enough cash to burn that you won't feel bad for that 10$.

Hmm. In that case, maybe the random, unscheduled flash sale of petslots and pet-related CSC things (renames, pet name swaps, potions, etc.) might be a good way to go? Because lbr, if you put them all into Black Friday again, people are gonna wait for Black Friday to roll around and not really make purchases as much through the year.

Not to mention, most people play multiple sites and black friday becomes a competition for everyone's money. Definitely better to do it at some random non-holiday time in the year!