Yeah, you're totes right in thinking his kids haven't aged a blip from the time they showed us his "memory" of them. It's probably the most unsettling thing about the ending, even more so than the very obvious still spinning top thing. Nolan commented on the ending and said that it didn't matter because he got to be with his kids in the end so it was real TO HIM. A lot of things are just weird in Inception so I can see how it could be his dream. I'd like to think he was right and Mal just lost her grip on reality. Great movie on the concept of reality though. X)

That would be one great ending. Finale: Dale is on the verge of getting out of the lodge. trumpet fanfare OH MY GOD I KNOW THAT MELODYYY HOLD ON IS THAT --- scene cuts to black, the end. xD

Lmk when you see blue velvet. I'm curious what your idea of the ending is and how it ties into twin peaks. :3

Still haven't watched Blue Velvet yet but will let you know when I get to it :P I have so many Lynchian fanfic ideas floating around in my head right now, I hope I don't end up with more from it XD

I got the secret history of twin peaks book today! o3o eeeeeeee the hardcover edition is GORGEOUS the dark green cover with one of the symbols + owl = fab <3

I wasn't thrilled with Diane being in it, just 'cos I liked the mystique of us never getting to see her. But Laura Dern did a great job, so if they had to have her, they did a good job of it. I didn't like episodes 5 and 6 because they just sorta dragged without much happening plot wise, but 7 was awesome. (Although I might be biased 'cos the lumpy headed tree was in it, and I love him lol.)

But you're not the only one who looks forward to it all week :P I've been obsessed with Peaks since it first aired, and I never thought we'd get a third season :D

me at end of part 15: come on, already, get a move on this show

part 16: wow, that was SO nice, I saw Cooper return, Audrey dance, where is Audrey?! omg this is gonna be INTENSE /cue Audrey = Laura = the dreamer = Audrey vibes going on

part 17: wow, Naido is Diane, but after what Diane put us through is she really Diane or still some version of Diane?? GREEN GLOVE GUY SAVES LIKE EVERYONE which is weird because I'm still like hey you random dude from abroad why are you even in this show?? why can't they have chosen Nadine or someone from twin peaks? CONFUSED. but at least evil Coop was shot by Lucy, I thought that was freaking amazing, I love Lucy. xD

when Cooper was staring at evil Cooper, I was like PUT THE RING ON ALREADYYY

then when it's all done and dusted, Cooper just HAS to go back to find Laura and this is where I got a sick feeling in my stomach though I didn't foresee him losing Laura in the forest and when Julee's song played I was absolutely GUTTED, so many tears

and when Sarah was hitting the picture of Laura I was like whoa wtf this is definitely Judy and I was like where is Audrey?? she will be left TO THE END OFC NO BIG DEAL

because I thought HEY O we have ONE MORE EPISODE, NO BIG DEAL

then it got even weirder in 18 (the whole Diane and Coop motel bit gave me evil Cooper vibes and what was up with Diane seeing herself? very weird vibes, like it wasn't in chronological order but a rehash of when they met when evil Cooper met Diane but then even that explanation doesn't make sense)

but after Cooper found Laura aka Carrie, I was like THERE IS HOPE, they are going over to Sarah's house, there will be a showdown with Laura's light within and Sarah's darkness within aka Laura v Judy; or some weird dream crap will happen and we'll finally know who dreamt up Twin Peaks

BUT NO

Tremont people opened the door, gave me a sick feeling, I thought I couldn't be sicker, but noooooooooooo, apparently I can because Cooper realized WHAT YEAR IS THIS? and we, as the audience, realize we're not in the future, we're in the PAST before Laura even was born, likely 60s/70s or something, and it could have ended right there but then Laura had to look up at the house and keep staring at it and heard (?Sarah / ?Leland / ?idk) someone calling her name and she screamed and I pretty much almost screamed too. ;3; was Laura woken up by the dream? was Laura the dreamer? what the hell happened at the end? it's like Cooper was trying to save Laura and kept repeatedly failing, in a way much worse than death (remember how we talked about him "sacrificing" himself? it's like he kept sacrificing himself but to no effect)

and here I thought end of 17 was emotional and 18 killed me D:

edit: it made me think back to what Garland Briggs said his biggest fear was - that love isn't enough I found the entire thing a metaphor for intentions (Cooper) v actions (Sarah and the picture frame) concepts like love aren't enough when we're dealing with evil actions 18 was chilling

I had to go on reddit and check out someone spinning 18's ending positively - that what Laura heard was Sarah calling her in s1 episode 1 therefore was Laura alive? had Laura woke up? if so, screaming in horror is certainly not the way to show it? it's hard to put a positive spin when the gut feeling I got from the end was one of horror and dread :C poor Cooper, poor Laura, poor everyone

also, no Audrey for 17 and 18 made me go nuts please check me into the nearest spa and resort I think I'll need help processing this

and is it true there's no s4? I know we are getting a final dossier but something about reading it in book format will not be satisfying unlike tshotp (because at least I knew there was a s3 to watch after that book)

OKAY YOUR THOUGHTS? so interested to hear your take / reactions to this (everyone feel free to respond too ;__; also please send hugs, I'm broken now)

I was so surprised about Naido = Diane! You totally called it! I was frankly disappointed too, and it ruined Naido for me. Hence, why I don't want the pet name anymore :P I... really don't like Diane. I'm sorry, but I don't.

I did love Carrie!Laura. She was awesome. Like EXACTLY what Laura would have been if she had been allowed to live and grow up a tough Texas babe. I liked too how we got to see things change in Twin Peaks as Cooper changed the past so that Laura wasn't murdered, although I think the world he and Diane went to when they crossed the magic 430 mile marker isn't necessarily the world where their Laura got snatched away to...

Also, Sarah/Jowday/Judy's frustration and anguish was SO real when the future was altered and she presumably lost the chance to face Laura that she was waiting for. But it begs a few questions... 1. Does that mean that she's the one who snatched Laura away from Cooper, but then... lost her again? Why wasn't she in the house when Cooper and Carrie/Laura got there? Why did she leave the other Black Lodge residents there instead? (I'm guessing that's what happened based on the names they were throwing around?) 2. Why WAS Judy just waiting around for Laura anyway? Couldn't she just go... get her? She seems to be able to go wherever she wants. 3. Er now that I think about it, WHY does she want Laura? Does Laura being "the one" mean she's the one who can destroy Judy/contain her/send her back to where she came from? Does Judy want to fight her to keep Laura from doing this? Does Judy actually want Laura to send her home? 4. Why does COOPER want Laura and Judy to meet? What does he think is going to happen?

And I think that was Leland calling Laura's name at the end, at least it sounded like him. I wasn't sure what Cooper meant by what year was it, but I guess it was in the past. I don't know with the Tremond/Chalfont people; they just seem to be stock names the Black Lodge grandmother and boy use. (I guess they're from the Black Lodge? I don't think they're necessarily bad entities, but I always see people saying they're from the BL.) They used them in the trailer park in FWWM and when they lived next door to Harold Smith.

What was "old" Laura whispering to Dale that made him say "Hunh?" right before she screamed and was snatched away? What was he staring at up at the ceiling? Was it Judy?

Did you notice that the Arm said the same thing that Audrey said? "Is it the story of the little girl who lives down the lane? Is it?" He didn't say that the first time he and Dale met. (I remember because I love that stupid tree. I'm sorry he wasn't in it more.) I can't begin to figure out how the Arm and Audrey might be connected.

I totally forgot about the Dossier coming out. At least there's that, although I don't expect much satisfaction from it. But I doubt there will be a S4 with everyone who's died, and how disappointed people have been with S3. Sigh.

Now I'm off to write a long complicated fanfic about Jowday/Judy because she was the sole redeeming thing about S3 for me.

yeah, I'm glad James is now not friendless lmao but it's also sad there was legit zero mention of Donna, I mean they even showed her parents but she's strangely incognito, like I get LFB didn't want to be FWWM but they could have gotten the actress who played her in FWWM or at least MENTIONED her; she's the strangest omission from the twin peaks universe post 25 years ever, I mean at least Audrey got some weird dream like scenes and we all kind of know what happened to Annie. ;l

it was like punch the pinata the BOB, so freaking hilarious and surreal lmao

it's okay, I am not a fan of Diane, I mean I love Laura Dern, and I thought Diane's fus to everyone was charming in her own way but I didn't like her ambiguity in relation to the agents and evil Cooper ;l

Carrie's last name was PAGE too (the missing 4th page in Laura's diary dun dun dun thank god for reddit I am not this clever okay)!! for a split second when they showed Pete going fishing and showed Josie looking all mysterious like I was like was Josie Judy back then?? because it doesn't really seem like Sarah was always a vessel for Judy or maybe she was, maybe she was the girl in episode 8; also with 8 being featured and 8 being an infinity loop, all this points to time loops and you know how much I HATE those things D: /cringe

I read Jiao Dai (Judy) is Chinese for 'to explain' so I love Lynch's trolling with to explain is to be evil. :P The man is clever, give him a crown please.

aaah do you think Sarah in present day was waiting for Laura? :0 interesting concept; I got the impression if Laura = pure light was murdered, it paved the way for darkness within = Judy to flourish inside Sarah like a prerequisite? idk :x

I think she influenced Coop's rescuing Laura in the forest somehow and she buried her in another timeline which is why she wasn't at the house because it was a different "year" and Laura couldn't have been simultaneously kept with her because I think their polar oppositeness repelled them from being in the same place kind of like magnets work (hey o electricity reference too :'D this is entirely my theory, not reddit's, maybe I have one clever marble in my noggin left? lmao); I feel like their showdown would have led to a reaction kind of like nuclear. I thought the Trelmont thing was a reference back to when BOB was around, back when Leland was a kid and first met BOB. I'm not convinced Judy was waiting for Laura. I'm not sure what her A game was tbh but I think she was able to exist as she had since Laura's death, since extinguishing the light within. Maybe she felt threatened about Cooper bringing Laura back in some way and was watching. She couldn't kill her directly, idk. More I think about it the less it makes sense. :"D /cries

I thought it was Leland calling her but then people seem to think it's Sarah's voice at s1ep1, waking Laura.

IT SOUNDED FAMILIAR YES but I didn't catch it was Audrey's line. The more I think about what was said the more I think it's asking if we as the audience think this story is about Laura (girl who lived down the lane)? Maybe the tree is able to read people's thoughts and emits them.

Yeah besides who the hell would pick up a season 4? I know showtime doesn't want to and in all fairness if Lynch, Frost, and co had EIGHTEEN episodes, which is like 9X FWWM standard movie time, to tell a story and haven't managed to the point where they need a final dossier book or a s4 then they did it wrong. I get the impression they actually finished the series. This is it whether we get what happened or not. ;__;

I read a really good post on reddit that I thought I'd paraphrase, s3 interpretted in a Buddhist manner - Cooper had gotten out, reunited with friends in Twin Peaks, but he wasn't satisfied with that. He wanted more. He wanted to undo Laura's death, and by attempting to change history, he stuck himself in a forever time loop. If he had learned to accept the present and not focus on either past or future he would have survived. He would have been happy in accepting like Buddhism teaches. Instead he screwed it all up. And we can expand that this applies to our watching of Dougie - Dougie "saved" people but we weren't satisfied with his actions because we wanted more, we wanted Agent Cooper, the big hero. In that light, Cooper's the tragic hero on a forever odyssey done in by his obsessive need to fix things instead of enjoying the moment. It adds another layer of sadness to the ending but it somehow allows me to stomach it.

I can't say s3 was a masterpiece. I disliked a good chunk of things like most of the music, the random roadhouse scenes which don't seem to have a context, green glove guy, Diane, etc but I have to say I think the intricacy of the ending makes me rank the season and the series as a whole highly. I can't say I'm truly disappointed in what happened because I don't regret having watched and experienced it. Would I have preferred a different, more conventional, ending? Definitely. As one person put it, what did Cooper do to deserve all this? Our beloved hero tarnished. But we got the ending we got and there are so many profound things to get from it that I find it very poetic and beautiful even though it's sad. ;___;

okay I hope I can sleep now, Laura's scream was chilling T__T

Ooh I didn't think about Judy snatching Laura away and hiding her elsewhere. That makes a lot of sense. I don't know why I got the feeling she was waiting for Laura, but I felt like she was waiting for something. Because like... why else was she possessing Sarah? Just to watch old boxing matches and to hang out in bars drinking Bloody Marys? (which I found pretty hilarious, like I have no problem with her killing off gross rapists. And it was cool how she could rewind the tv with her mind and watched the same scene over and over.) For my fanfic, I'm thinking of taking the route that she felt some sort of connection with Sarah because they're both mothers (although I'm writing Judy as most def. NOT wanting to be a mother, my childfree-ness and tokophobia is going to be very evident there lol) and that Sarah was basically an empty vessel at that point having lost both Laura and Leland, plus she had those vague psychic abilities. So I imagine it was pretty easy for Judy to "move in." But anyway. I'm kinda obsessed with her XD

I'm... not sorry I watched it. I think Judy adds a whole other dimension to it, and having an origin for BOB is cool. As are the glimpses of whole other worlds out there behind the Red Room and Lodges - the fortress and purply/pink place where Naido was, etc. And I like your/Reddit's idea that Cooper just couldn't leave well enough alone. He had fixed things as much as he should have done-- BOB was destroyed, Cooper's doppelganger was back where it belonged, the real Diane was freed. And he had saved Gordon and Albert from meeting the fate of Phillip and Chet (and himself) - disappearing like the other Blue Rose agents. He even fixed things for Janey-E and Sonny Jim; they had Dougie back (and that Dougie was even going to be happy as far as I could tell). And I'm sure the Bushnell and casino brothers would be willing to watch out for and take care of that family for the rest of their lives.

I mean, he could have been disappeared entirely like Chet or turned into a coffee pot like Phillip. (Not that Phillip didn't seem pretty content. He was a chill coffee pot.) Dale had it pretty good, but it wasn't enough. But I can't really blame him either because he knew Laura was out there lost somewhere, and possibly still suffering. He might never have been able to forget that she had no one else to help her.

Also that theory reminds me a lot of the rocket scientist Jack Parsons who comes up a good bit in Secret History. I've gotten kind of obsessed with him lol. In real life, he tried to summon a divine feminine force/earth goddess/great mother/whatever, and he thought he succeeded and she was manifested in this woman whom he met and married. Then a few years later, he was killed working with some explosives. Supposedly it was an accident, but some people think it was suicide or murder. In Secret History, Parsons is seen wearing the green ring earlier, and it's implied that he cast the "fire walk with me" spell and summoned a "fire demon," and THAT's what killed him. I thought of that when Dale uses the hotel room key and meets MIKE, and MIKE chants the spell. So (in the book anyway) Parsons's ritual worked but it wasn't enough for him and he still cast the spell, and it killed him. In the same way, what Dale had already done wasn't enough, and while he didn't cast the spell himself, he allowed MIKE to do it. If an actual rocket scientist couldn't do it, Coop, you shouldn't have tried either :P

And if it makes you feel any better, I didn't sleep well either last night. Although instead of nightmares, I dreamed I met David Lynch, and I wanted to ask him all kinds of questions and make him explain stuff. I don't know where I'd even start though lol.

Hey, no point in creating the world if you ain't gonna enjoy cocktails and highlights of boxing contests, am I right? :P

I'm struggling to figure out when Judy possessed Sarah. Was Judy always in Sarah? Is that what is suggested by the frog beetle thing? Then was that the point of Laura by the white lodge? To be nearer Judy? To keep her at bay? As white light? But then the black lodge intervened with BOB and she succumbed to the darkness?

I'm trying to judge if Sarah's vague psychicness was a sign of Judy or not. I mean she was the one who saw the white horse right? I feel like the white horse is a messenger for Judy. It watches what goes on. Watches the misery.

Sorry if I came across as saying you regretted it. I was just too wordy and happy to talk to someone about the show given no one else is watching it here. xD

I wanna be like COOPER, NO. Also, I think I don't like Diane because she was physical with Cooper and I didn't really see Diane + Cooper. Was waiting on the robins speech tbh given their interaction in blue velvet lmao. AND NOW DIANE WILL TALK ABOUT DARKNESS AND ROBINS (seriously this is me like prodding with a stick to go see it haha).

I feel like he should have known she wasn't suffering in an alt reality given how it changed people. He even said to Diane he didn't know if things were going to stay the same on the other side. :l

Thank you for explaining the fire spell thing and the poem. It puts it in so much better a context than let's just be weird and somehow poetic about this lol. X)

I would ask him "David, why you be hating us? You're too mean." lol :") I spent SO much time on reddit reading stuff. I've read happy / sad interpretations of the end so I can see how he both saved and failed her but I feel like none of them can take away that visceral feeling of dread and sadness the first time I saw the ending. ( ex - Laura screams, lights go out, electricity goes out, therefore EVIL / black lodge go out / is defeated WOOO )

I wondered if the boxing match Sarah was watching was an old match of Bushnell Mullins, Dougie's boss, but I'm too lazy to check lol. And I don't really feel like Judy was always in Sarah. I don't think Sarah was the girl the bug crawled in, because that girl was Latina and I'm pretty sure Sarah isn't. Also the bug came from an egg, and there were lots of eggs in the stuff Judy puked up. I think since we never saw that girl again, it was just to show what hatched out of the eggs, and we saw one example of someone getting possessed by the bugs. (And I guess Woodsmen took over the radio all over the country/world to put people to sleep so it could happen. I HATE THE WOODSMEN if I haven't mentioned it before lol.) I don't really get why BOB was so special that there were lots of eggs but he was the only fully grown evil basketball in there. I guess he was just extra bad!

Although that doesn't mean Sarah didn't swallow one of the bugs too at some point. And yeah she was the one who saw the horse in the original, or in FWWM, can't remember which. I always found that horse creepy. And then Carrie had a figure of a white foal in her house too.

I just really can't see the ending as happy, at least not for Cooper and Laura, certainly not for the real Sarah. And since we don't know what all was altered by Laura's body not being found, we can't really know that anyone else ended up happy. Would Audrey still have been in the bank explosion? Would Cooper have ever come to Twin Peaks, met Audrey, gone into the Red Room, and produced a doppelganger to come out and then assault Audrey to produce Richard? (Presumably Leland/BOB still would have murdered Teresa, and Ronette would still have crossed state lines, and Laura would have disappeared, so maybe so.) So maybe Audrey would have been okay or maybe she's still in whatever weird situation she was before Cooper changed the timeline :( I feel like the only people who ended up happy are Nadine, Norma, and Ed. Maybe Dr. Jacoby if he sells enough shovels. Maybe Freddy. (I wonder if he can take the glove off now that he's fulfilled his destiny?)

edit: well I guess Dougie and his family too.

Also WAY TO TROLL US LYNCH sticking another Richard and Linda in there and then it turns out the Fireman's Richard and Linda were really Dale and Diane UGH. No I'm not mad about that not at alllll.

edit 2: Oh yeah, I wonder what happened to Dido? She wasn't in the theater place with everyone else in episode 17, unless I totally overlooked her. I saw Fireman and Major Briggs's giant head, and evil Cooper in a cage before they transferred him (and I was like why didn't they just suck him up and cage him? why don't they ever DO ANYTHING instead of just being all cryptic and watching the humans screw up over and over?), but no Dido :( Gonna go check.