Why not correcting a cake layer with another cake layer? What will this v4 bring us? Users are going to cringe because heeeey we need to re-learn everything again. And then, is it GOING TO WORK properly after the 750th attempt?

Anyway. Hope it works somehow.

Seeing how amazing the shops and other recent fixes worked for the site, I'm giving Keith the benefit of the doubt here. Yes, I would absolutely love to use the salon again, but in order to have the front-end stuff working properly, the back-end stuff needs to be functional. Only fixing the hex codes to a broken system is just adding a bandage... it's not solving the overall problem.

I do hope this is the final major fix needed for the sake of users' patience though.

I would have rather have the hex code input over the color wheel, quite honestly.

Another wardrobe 😫 This is getting really old.... I'm just now used to the V3 wardrobe... If anything is a deterrent from using the wardrobe it will be this. On the other hand I'm really skeptical that anything will be done, because to me it seems like every time Keith says the wardrobe is his priority, he drops the ball and then some other new feature that isn't the wardrobe comes out.

To be fair, only fixing the hex codes would be nice since we are apparently being told we're getting to sit with a broken wardrobe until the new one comes out. I wouldn't mind a few bandaids on v3 so it's more useable while we wait.

I have hopes this is the last time this will happen, at least it's being worked on, and I think is a priority? Can't wait for the wardrobe to not be a headache! I hope hope hope it's the final overhaul it will need, until the year 2039 when all websites are VR and the wardrobe needs rewritten for Occulus Rift compatibility.

It's not just a "fix" - there is an entire system at work that requires it to be inputted from the color wheel. It's one or the other at the moment, and I think most users that use the salon aren't savvy enough to just input hex codes.

Totally, I understand the fatigue and frustration, this is just really the best thing for the wardrobe :/

From the sounds of things this wardrobe has been a long time coming, the patch fixes that have worked so far won't keep cutting it. Some of you seem really angry at the fact that Keith is trying to make things better and fix the whole thing properly, the sheer amount of work the staff has to do to fix this is huge and it seems like they nearly have to start from scratch.

Sure, there are heaps of things that were great in the old wardrobes, but the problem is that they don't work. The avatar system is outdated, and if it keeps getting built on top of more problems will arise, hence making the whole job of fixing the wardrobe that much harder. Like Keith said the database is several years old and needs to be reworked. This stuff needs to happen regardless, but everyone who complains only dampens the atmosphere and slows progress.

Please be mindful that good things take time!!

But if it needs to be rewritten eventually, and it doesn't depend on the back-end changes, then why can't it be moved up on the schedule to pacify people? People have been asking for this for over a year, and now we finally hear news and it's just you saying we have to wait even longer.

To be fair, a few bandages could tide people over. It's not an overall fix but at least people have something to play around with until the major fixes can be pushed. I'm not sure if it's feasible, I can barely understand what Keith's saying, but I understand that people like to physically see something being done.

And give us a little bit of credit with the hex inputs, . A quick guide is probably all anybody really needs - people are becoming increasingly tech savvy, especially on sites Subeta where we can make our own profiles if we so choose.

With all due respect, that remark about the user base not really knowing hex codes was really uncalled for and very much beneath you.

This is a very good point and now I can understand better what would be best. Since it does seem like V3 is going to be replaced, then a simple fix to the hex codes would be a good idea. If the fix is super complicated and takes too much time, then I wouldn't think it's a good idea.

And if this fix is possible, having a link to a site that has a color wheel that coverts the color you choose to a hex code would be helpful.

Tbh do users really need to be 'savvy' with hex codes? I'm not a huge savvy person when it comes to technology but even I knew how to Google hex codes and implement them when we had that option in the past.

Wardrobes are kind of a turn off for me though. I'm glad I'm lazy with my HA and have it always match my username xD

But if it needs to be rewritten eventually, and it doesn't depend on the back-end changes, then why can't it be moved up on the schedule to pacify people? People have been asking for this for over a year, and now we finally hear news and it's just you saying we have to wait even longer.

While I'm totally on the 'fix some fucking things in a visible manner' track, there are lots of other 'little fixes' people have been asking for for just as long if not longer. Moving this one up just disregards the others.

And to me it sounds like it might relate at least a little to the back end? Or might need to once it's put back in (which would require pushing the entire change)?

Obviously something is going to have to go first eventually (hopefully), but other things may not require rewrites in order to be included in our current v3 vs being included in v4 (cause I agree there as well, this is going to be v4) regardless of back or front end. Such as making. enter. search. again. - but perhaps that's not actually easy, I don't know.

But none of the above would matter if the site would just buckle down and focus on making it's revenue generator and new user driver work for more than 10 days/a single dev's internship /sorrynotsorry.

**Edit: Accidentally ate a point + clarity.

Believe me, I know. I just want to see something done. This would be a pretty big one for a lot of people, and I don't believe it would take more than a day or two to implement properly. Press-enter-to-search would be amazing, too, and that honestly shouldn't take more than a few minutes because jQuery makes it so easy.

I can get that. I guess I'm worried that this is going to be another 'implement 5 things and then disappear for a year' situation and while the salon is not 100% it does kinda sorta function. Search really does too but making the changes more minor ought to = more of them get done.

Trust me the hair salon is up there for me too (see: glad so much of the hair is covered in this one but still would have preferred a more precise match) I just see it more easily getting mired, I guess.

Don't get me wrong though: I'd 910%+ love to be proven wrong and to see more than a few things start to roll out, even if it takes a bit longer for bigger changes (like this one). It's just not really what's been demonstrated before, even when v3 was being rolled or when it got it's one down the road period of 'now we'll /really/ fix it'.

Tl;dr: I'm over it. I don't believe the hype. While the code is 'open' at least give us some of the small clamoured-for things that seem to require no framework type changes or rewrite type changes. Giving us this (or something similar) as a bigger gesture would be nice but again, not sure I believe it's coming.

But even if you were right, I think we all know that the player base does a damn good job at picking up the slack in terms of assisting each other when some players do not quite get how a Subeta feature works. Add the hex codes, and within a week or less someone that is not part of your staff will have made a guide for players to use.

Agreeing with this. I guess I don't want other users to have to give up the usage of the color wheel if that's really more convenient for the majority of the userbase, if the majority of the userbase really doesn't know how to input hex codes, but I can't do anything with it myself. Hex codes would be so much more convenient imo and I also agree with what said, that users here are pretty good about helping each other out - which they can't really do with the color wheel.

I will probably keep ignoring the Salon because it's more frustrating than fun for me atm. But either way I too am going to try to be hopeful about the changes to come. I am at least glad that in the gif/preview/whatever posted the layers were organized alphabetically, that's nice.

We have to make features that aim at the people who don't know things, and help build up knowledge. A joint hex+color wheel is the best way to do that.

I'm not calling anyone stupid, hex codes seem common for me (and a lot of you) but that doesn't mean that the less vocal users know what they are or how they work and the majority of active users never visit the forums. These are the kinds of things that we're starting to run tests against and do user research on, but based on what we've got so far it's clear that what you might find easy/common, a lot of users don't.

Then make a combination hex input/color wheel. No more bandaids, I want to be able to use what I paid for.

Hex codes are super easy on Subeta.. people had threads that gave you hex codes to use for specific wig combos/colours. I was using hex codes when I first joined Subeta (over 10 years ago.. I'm 22 now) to change my forum font. If anything hex codes were the gateway drug into learning customisation (HTML? aw yisss), although I didn't get too far into it.

And yeah, the hex + colour wheel combo is the best idea. Just hex codes could be confusing I agree, but just a colourwheel is not very accurate.