Pixels have nothing to do with file size, except in the most general way (that is, making a picture smaller will make the file size smaller if you're working with the same file format). But you can have an image with a lot of pixels in one format (say, a highly compressed JPEG) with a smaller file size than an image that has fewer pixels (a PNG for instance).

It is not difficult to find out how big your file is; I'd say it's no harder than finding out how many pixels are in it, especially if you Google something like "how to find size of a file." If a user isn't computer-literate enough to find a file's size (or to know how pixels and file size work, for that matter), they are better off not including an image.

I love that this entire topic is basically, "I screwed up, but I don't want to blame myself, so it is staff's fault."

I think the rules were fine. The voting style not so much.

The only thing that really would be fine is the spoilers for entries/some other form of "my computer doesn't like loading this massive wall of text" implementation. Everything else is already addressed each contest that happens and it should be common sense that subeta rules already in place = rules that will also apply to the contest.

Literally everything else is fine. Pixels have little to nothing to do with file size (which is what megabytes or "MB" is referring to), rules don't just cease existing because a contest happens, and if you need any more clarification on anything, a ticket system does exist. This is a whole lot of "well I dun goofed...must be the site's fault" :T

In my opinion, these are the things I think the contest did wrong.

Letting users vote on the winners. I've never really liked it when we get to vote on it all, mostly because it leads to people going "I DIDN'T VOTE FOR THIS ONE SUBETA THIS ONE WAS BETTER WHY DIDN'T YOU PICK THIS ONE INSTEAD" due to the fact that we see all the entries. It always ends badly and I'd much rather the staff voted on their favourites.

Having all the entries with descriptions on one page. I just voted randomly in the end because I got bored with reading the descriptions since a lot of them don't have an image, plus the page kept crashing on me because there was so much on it.

I don't think the entry screening was done well enough. Yes a lot of entries were removed for not following the rules (I was also guilty with this as my descriptions were too long. I know I messed up and I'm not going to blame Subeta for my mistake. I just describe too much XD), but I still see a lot of them that do still break the rules. Googled images, what looks like CW art just copied and pasted together etc.

What I think could be improved:

Make the rules simpler. I had no problems with understanding the rules as they were plain as day and neither did most of the site, but clearly a lot of people did. I don't think Subeta should have to remind you that Subeta general rules apply to the contest though. However, saying that and seeing that many entries had to be excluded because people Googled images, it appears that common sense isn't as common as it is portrayed to be.

If users HAVE to vote on the winners, then less entries on a page would be brilliant, maybe even putting them in a spoiler or a box that you hover over to see the text, or even a way to remove the entries you don't want to vote for, like a way to hide them or just X them off the screen. I'm not the only person out of the people I spoke to who got bored several entries down because of the sheer amount of text.

Personally though I'd much rather the staff just voted, to prevent the inevitable "All these entries are so drab!" "None of the entries I voted for won!" "This entry as so much better than the ones that won, this contest is clearly rigged!" comments.

I disagree with your 4th point, it is much easier to find out your image size than your image pixel count. Right click, properties. It's right in front of you in the general tab. Alternatively, hovering over the image gives you the MB size details.

I like the idea of being allowed to see all the entries before voting is open, that way any entries that missed the screening could be pointed out and reported before voting begins.

See, I don't quite get this. Why on earth would you need 800 words to describe your logo design? Look:

The logo is going to be miniscule. 800 words is basically a 2-page essay. If you can't describe your logo with anything less, then you need to rethink your design and what the contest is really about.

On your computer: Right click -> Properties

Firefox: Right click -> View Image Info

Chrome: idk. Save it to your computer and then do right click -> properties?

Precisely :) I'm not crazy about the voting style either, but I really don't know how else they could arrange it with this many entries. I do like the paginated idea, but since that messes up the random order, I don't know what else could be done :(

I took one look at that page and was like

Who has time for all of that?

The idea of allowing a description needs to go. It's fine when there are 20 entries, but 300? Just really? I can't even imagine staff being forced to read all the disqualified ones.

I'm actually terribly confused by the whole google image thing anyhow. I mean... from the parts I read of the contest (and I admit, I didn't read every single word to do with it as I wasn't going to enter) the pictures weren't necessarily going to be the end all and be all. That Subeta artists were transforming it. So, either A. they would take the necessary steps to make 3-4 (or whatever number Subeta chose that I can't remember) of changes on the image or they would expect you to list what those changes would be, just as if you were creating a CW based off an already existing thing. But taking a bottle shape that you like and saying "Hey, kind of like this", but with a bow wrapped around it, a pumpkin for the logo with the words "Shloomapoo" written across the pumpkin, etc. for the design seems like that would have been okay to me. Flat out "I want it exactly like this bottle" with a stolen image, however, is much different in this regard. So I'm confused as to what has been gotten rid of (if they were flat out rip offs) or not/why people are saying "no google images period" in this context. Even as beautiful as some of those labels were that were user created, they're not going to be 100% produced that way in an item if they win.... some were far too detailed.

I would absolutely love to have had the idea of being able to star some and pick later. Scanning through 300ish entries trying to remember which ones I have checked/find them in that pile of text was difficult.

I will also say I love someone's idea to have gotten ones one at a time and rate them on a number scale. If given in a random order, even if everyone didn't complete all 300 (although maybe an achievement for those that did, "beer taster" or something?) it still would have given a sort of accurate representation of "tastes" I think.

Mainly I think it was that people were actually taking real beer/ale/whatever logos and submitting them. said that they even got a Budweiser can as an entry.

seriously?!? Way better for staff to post which site rules apply for a contest than having to be left out at sea wondering what ones apply and what ones don't. It would especially hel newbies too or people who just want something up front and center. Things may be blatantly obvious to you but it may not be for others. If this isn't something that you can understand then there's obviously something wrong.

All site rules apply, everywhere they are relevant, all the time. If there's a site rule about art, and a contest involving art, the site rule applies. The site rules are relatively straighforward except in pretty rare, unique cases and I don't understand why people can't check them for themselves instead of staff having to post them again.

I also don't understand why you bothered to read my long-ass post and are calling me out for this opinion when I'm far from the only person who had it.

I think I understand what people are confused about. And, it's silly.

"Don't submit a label that is not your intellectual property" is not a complicated rule.

I really hope people that did blatant art theft were warned. Seriously, we all know that pictures had an advantage over non-pictures (And this is dumb af too) so if you took someone else's label/bottle design to attempt to get an edge on the competition, I'm pretty sure you deserve nothing but a swift kick to the behind.

Might have already been mentioned, but regarding the pagination and "we can't do that because it's random" ... at least for this contest, it didn't have to be random. This contest had NAMES. Like, drink names. You could have alphabetized them. I mean, I know that wouldn't work with a costume contest where it's meant to be anon but ... Couldn't SOMETHING be figured out?

why do we need to be reminded that you shouldn't steal someone else's creation in a contest about creating your own design ?? ?? ?

As a typically rather wordy person, who uses ten words when I could have just used three, if anything was taken into consideration going forward I'd actually have liked to see the number of characters/words far far lower than it was. Like 100-200 tops.

I quite literally saw the walls of text, went a bit crosseyed, scrolled some, then noticed "holy shit I'm like 1/4th of the way into the page", and ultimately picked the first 5 brews that had an interesting sounding name and voted. I read no descriptions, and I didn't look at any of the pictures. I assumed nice art would get enough votes, stockish art was probably a rip-off, and scribbles required too much bouncing between words and pictures and I quickly lost interest.

So, suggestion 1: very limited wordage with instead a few things to fill out (no one cares what the bottle looks like, or what color it is). Something like "name of brew, what's in the brew, brief description of label, and slogan". Super short answers all uniformed = I'd be a lot more likely to read.

Also, I'd have preferred either pictures being a requirement, or no pictures at all. It seems silly to pitch words verses art, when eyes are automatically drawn to art.

Good intentions, didn't like the execution.

I'm guessing it's the staff's job to hold our hand when we cross the street and wipe our butts every time we shit.

If you can't remember a site-wide rule that's been implemented for over a decade since the site was created, then you shouldn't be entering contests. Or maybe go review the rules again at your own leisure.

Also, 500 words? Are we writing an essay or a description? I can write a news review article in 400 words. In fact, I have recently.

also i'm with everyone else, limit the amount of words involved. 500-600 words is way too much, nobody needs to write a goddamn story to describe how their alcohol tastes