Yea so together would be best for sure. At this moment, I am wearing 3 eye layers just to get the look I want.

dang, that's dedication. It looks good though!!

Thanks! They are supposed to look like the man's eyes in my siggy. Pretty close! :D

they are really close wow you did a great job on those!

I'm with the others on more boots. I'd like to see more colors of boots like these:

Often they are too dark or too saturated for a particular costume. Matching particular browns/blacks/greys is tough, and I'd like to see some different cuts and colors.

I'm also a sucker for beards and would like to see more elaborate beards onsite. I'm particularly fond of 1800's styles (eg. flapwings or any of these)

Some of the recent beards have been nice, like But it is hard to use, because I need to layer the evil muttonchops under it to get it to reach the ears. I'd like to see some full, long beards.

I've been on this site for nearly 8 years, and one of the main complaints I have constantly heard is: "we need more guy stuff". I've done posts about it with heaps of suggestions on things that could be made, but the overall response I always get is: "well, females make up the majority of subeta".

Granted, subeta has been trying harder to accomodate for males more, but the truth is females will always be the gender they cater for.

The only real option you have now if you want more range and diversity is custom items, but unfortunately that's expensive.

HAIR Some possible styles I'd love to see. X-----O-----X-----O-----X-----O-----X-----O-----X-----O-----X-----O-----X*-----O**----- *Yes, that is a lady but she has rocked one of the best, and more versatile, deathhawks known to man. **Yes, also a lady but her trihawk is amazing; I'd like this without the bangs more but hey I can dream.

MORE As in, I'd love to see this same style redone in more colors. *[item=Torn Hair Magazine Page: Jules] (Not "male" but gosh damn I love them !) *I would love this hair without the headphones.

Oh goodness, much support for all these items, because more variety would be lovely! ;O; OH ALL THOSE MADS / HANNIBAL PICS. /swoon swoon

Got a few to add:

• We got (body) blushes, freckles, moles, eyebrows, beards, can we get things like forehead wrinkles or forehead veins (like below totally stealing this pic from page one, sorry)?

Would help make the base look less of a child akin to what was saying on page one. :)

• held clothes

like this

• flatter hair with hairline parted in middle like Hemsworth here

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• bushier eyebrows, more stubble (I feel like we've gotten facial hair by the bucket load, I'm still looking for not OMG SO MUCH HAIR beards and stubble extending down to the neck); has nice eyebrows but still a bit too neat

dan can be an example here

I really like the holding clothes idea, very unique I never would have thought of that but I can see that turning out very nice. Also the forehead wrinkles I think would make a huge difference, because there's not much we can do to change the look of the base HA.

VESTS More BASIC COLORS ! Not just a few black ones and a few white ones. Make them match things ! Like the suit trousers someone else mentioned ? (Pardon, dreaming of a nice vest matching the Pink Slacks). Don't put dress shirts under them like the anniversary ones. They aren't used because of this. They were so nice. We can't use them (I also wish the suit jackets that matched the slacks were separated from the shirts, I'd wear the Hell out of them !) My goodness. Stop putting that extra button at the bottom. Yes, I know quite a few places say "leave the last button undone, like a suit jacket" or whatever. But not only is it hard to really show on such tiny avatars, it's not a rule. See this ?, yeah, it's really not that noticeable and doesn't mean that last button is waaaaay down at the bottom of the vest. Like this ? ... As lovely as it is and I want it in every damned color, that last button is wrong. And it's on a good portion of vests. Stop. See this ? We have a winner. More vest like these in various colors please: Don't allow the elaborate stuff to get away from you. Keep it simple. Don't start hacking away at the vest to make it all ~interesting~ ... Because though it may be aesthetically appealing and fun, it basically renders it useless. Like these ... Nice art, interesting, not very useable.

NOW FOR PICTURES OF VESTS ! O-----X-----O-----X-----O Well, this isn't a vest but it's hot. When it comes to patterns, keep it simple. Pinstripes are nice ! Plaid is good, too. Make it look like a sailor. Think big filigree. Big demask. I SAID BIG. More of THIS could also be amazing.

... And please stay away from colors that burn our eyes. I love argyle, but these are a bit too much. Please, more of this line with more useable colors (pink... slacks... piiiiiiiiink slacks)

Is this good enough on the vest talking front, or shall I add more ? ;) (I don't mean to upset you by pinging you, please forgive me ❤️) I got the "this post is over 6,000 digits" error last night because of my rambling on vests and had to break it up into two posts.

There's one I can recall. but it isn't exactly carried over the arm like the photo.

Right? I said in the other thread I find the face the most difficult part if I'm making a male avatar. :C

What would also be lovely... muscle shadows (yes, I'm thinking of all those cws xD and especially around the neck / shoulder region please) and body hair!

BODY HAIR is such a good idea. I think that'll help so much. Like if I want my HA to wear shorts he can have some leg hair, that would make the HAs look so much more grown up and less childlike and pudgy. That's such an amazing idea way to go high fives

I like that hanging shirt you linked though, added to my wishlist. :P they should definitely make more clothes like that, in more variations (like you said, some carried over the arm and things like that).

Exactly! c: Haha, though I don't dare take credit for it - the idea's been brought up 437927 times already, but it never hurts to say it again, right? :)

Also more ideas!

wet hair

(also notice how them eyebrows appear much closer to the eyes than in females, yes)

color socks

like I know we have a bunch of knee highs that could do the job but like can we get proper ankle socks in different colors though not neon please

cardies that come undone at the bottom instead

• omg shoe laces (black, white, colors!) so like we can just stick them on any shoe 8D

I love the wet hair idea and that's very true the eyebrows are way way closer to the eyes, I think if they made a couple eyedrop sets or something that had the eyebrows close to that, with a little less defined eyelashes, we would instantly have some perfect male eyes. Spot on.

I approve of your example choices :P (Mads and Dan...mmmm)

I would kill to see some more male wears, and to be honest, it seems recently subeta has been trying, but i want versatile items that i can mix and match with different things opposed to a set, that only matches the other items in that specific set.

Im desperate for more suits! Especially patterned ones! I made my own suit jacket because i was bored of the ones we have lol Im no good at jackets, but i did my best lol -

Id love to see more hair like the and and their recolours that dont have a weird glowy bit or dual colours that really ruins what would have been very fab wigs, in many different colours!

Now for examples...

Here, have some beautiful Matt Bomer...

More Matt and some of my favourite posh British boys..

I love the [Item=Lovingly Wrapped Butter Cookies] too and I would kill to have that in more colors :o

.Daniel Id love to see it in a slightly more golden shade of blonde or brown. There just arent enough nice wigs that come in a range of different colours, though when they do finally release male wigs in more than one colour, they seem to ruin it with annoying stuff like the glowy bits on the wig i used above :(

Yeah I agree. I don't mind the glowy parts in certain cases, because sometimes you can make it work really nice with an outfit, but generally it only goes with a small amount of items and just looks funky with everything else. If they got rid of the glowy parts of those wigs, they would be freaking awesome and I'd probably use them 24/7, because I love the general hairstyle and the colors before the glowy parts. I agree they should make the wig above in those colors you mentioned. Really, they should make it in all the natural hair colors because I think it looks absolutely awesome. One of my favorite wigs on the site.

... I probably COULD talk more about them, ahahaha And reading over my post I sound ten times more passive aggressive. I swear, the voice in my head was very much lighthearted.