About of fucks I give about CWs in BotB: 0

Let's be honest, I've seen users with CWs make the crappiest HAs in existence on this site. CWs didn't make a difference. If your idea was crap but you used CWs, you probably weren't going to make it to the finals anyway.

The Granny Smiths didn't use any CWs and we still placed second. We had a unique idea and we stuck to it. The same with Horns & Roses, who just happened to use CWs. Their idea was spot on and they followed through (just look at the BotB forums).

AND FYI we didn't offer super expensive things for our daily score giveaway. They were 2-3mil official subeta items each day (which honestly, any band could've done. That's 1-2 day(s) of questing for one person) apart from the last day. People supported us because they liked us. -__- We had one contest that wasn't even related to votes/scores/support, and that offered pricier things. So no, your argument is invalid. Sorry not sorry.

This contest was mostly about how well people played a crappy game, which is my only real complaint. :)

CWs-HAs and non-CWs-HAs UNITE NO H8

Who said I was talking about your band?As a matter of fact I wasn't. SOME bands were specifically asking for "proves" before letting people enter their contests/raffles/giveaways; screanings to show that people were supporting them and playing for them everyday, maybe you didn't notice but it happened and it pissed me off.And you don't know how much other bands offering exclusive prizes affected your score, for all you know you might have won if people didn't decide to play for another team because of the giveaways/raffles they were offering; or maybe not, no one knows. The point is that it MIGHT have affected the contest so it shouldn't be allowed in the first place.

I didn't say you were referring to our band specifically, but we did also do something like that, so it still applies.

We lost by 5000 pts lol I could've easily made that up in a day of playing that stupid game, so I'm not too worried about what other bands did or didn't do.

I thought the whole concept of the bands holding contests and giveaways was a neat idea for the people that were supporting them.

Knowing quite a few people here would support a band just on the basis of what they could get from contests being run, I woukd be surprised if contests did help the popularity of some bands.

The idea of people asking for proof of joining allowing a person to enter a giveaway sounds fine to me, but I do think it is an issue that should be discussed prior to the event.

While I do believe your band would have placed even if you guys held no contest/raffle/etc (the concept was awesome), because you guys held a contest/raffle/etc, you can't say for a fact that it had no influence, because you can't know that. No one knows that.

Some people are going to follow the opportunity to get something out of the event. I mean in all honesty why even hold a giveaway or contest and advertise it in the first place? To show you appreciate the fans? One can appreciate the fans just as much by doing the same in a low key way. There's really one assumption people take from advertised contests and giveaways and that's to buy support. Anyone that's been here for events like vesnali and masquerade knows that a good contest can net the person holding it a good amount of event currency. Why are we going to pretend it is going to be any different for this? Especially when supporters of bands aren't given automatic compensation for supporting any band... why not choose the band that offers you at least a shot at something tangible? That's not farfetched thinking. That's logical thinking that I can bet at least ONE user thought of when making their decision. Again, I'm not saying any one group won solely because of these contests, raffles, etc., because no one knows that, but I really fail to fathom how subeta actually let bands potentially bribe at least that one person (and as you said, you could have made 5k easily in one day of playing so who is to say that one person couldn't have done the exact same and netted you a victory?). It looks like nasty business to people on the outside because it's hard to not follow the logic that someone can be swayed by omg any free stuff. Saying all bands could have given away free stuff is not solving this issue (not all free stuff is the same and obviously still makes this a competition of who can give away more enticing stuff). A simple solution that actually solves this is.... don't allow such behavior that CAN influence users (and probably did in at least one instance). Don't allow behavior that can be so easily misconstrued. Simple.

Basically, whether a band won or NOT, I don't really care. The fact that any finalist band was allowed to hold contests, giveaways, raffles, etc. still baffles me and leaves a bad taste in my mouth for the reason I explained above.

Sorry, but I'm not sorry, this needed to be said no matter how ranty I just sounded like.

Like... who... cares... about... the incentives...

I think it made things more interesting. Sure it'd be cute if everyone supported the bands because they are into the concept (which was my case so it's not like I'm defending contests just because I join them, since I don't) but some people just don't care about creative-y things man. What if they didn't really care about any of the bands. They would probably just flip a coin to choose one to join or not join at all, if I hadn't liked any I would probably have done just that. So for some of those people the contests and giveaways and such might have been the only thing to keep them invested. Which is fine. That way the creative nerds can have their fun and the other nerds can too.

Imo it's more like a way of making the event more fun to more people than buying votes tbh I also think that the number of people who joined teams only for the free stuff is not as big as people are imagining

also it's just rude what some people are thinking like come on you can't say SOME bands wouldn't have won if not for x y z when there is only one that fits the description.

The event ended July 28th. Today is August 20th. Prizes still haven't been released.

This is seriously disappointing. As nice as the udea of working with the winners to create a prize/set of prizes is, I think a wait time just under a moth is kind of ridiculous.

Haha honestly I wish they'd just do the prizes already or not do them at all because I hate being reminded every few days via seeing this board that that stupid event even happened.

I came back here exactly to look for an estimate on that

The most successful and enjoyable aspects of it (facilitating user interaction in the forums with competitive teams imo) should just be incorporated into a different theme.

Oh, I'm sorry. I come on here to avoid irl crap like bribery. Didn't realize subeta had to follow "life's unfair, deal with it." as a way to keep things "interesting". My bad.

You want incentives? Why not the news be a bit more specific on prizes for participating? Or give us a tiny sneak peek at prizes the site, not each band, is supposed to provide?

Oh wait, that's right. It's been almost a month without prizes. And wait for it. A new cake contest with three cake items drawn as prizes. ... that ends August 31. Maybe that means prizes will be out before then because surely they can't draw cake stuff before botb stuff. Surely. ;)

The FAQ gaves us correct guideline and we did understand. Except not.

I'd pretty much forgotten about the prizes until reading this. Odd because the event prizes are usually awesome and I was really looking forward to them.

Surely not all of the prizes needed input from the winners? So I think it would have been cool if the regular prizes were given out straight after the event as usual, with a note saying special prizes with input from the winners would be coming by X date.

Meh I don't see the problem with using CWs...

If you feel CWs are superior. Then you are basically offending the subeta artists.

CWs are just items drawn by user that subeta hasn't thought to draw themselves yet =/

Where the heck did you take life is unfair, deal with it from what I said?

So bribery it's ok cause otherwise people wouldn't join the event.. well maybe politicians could bribe folks that don't usually vote, that's a fantastic ide..oh wait, it's illegal D= Seriously, it doesn't matter if it influeced the contest or not, it's something that it shouldn't be allowed in the first place because of the moral implications. And clearly you can't read, cause I didn't say "some bands won because.." , I said some bands ( so no, it doesn't really apply to just one and most of them didn't even get in the top positions) were not just hosting giveaways, which is perfectly fine, but demanding people to prove they've voted for them before letting them join, which is very shady. If this altered the results of the contest or not it's not important; again, it's the principle that matters. And I am not really annoyed at the bands anyway, I'm annoyed at subeta staff allowing this to start with.

Why are people so rude gee whiz I can read just fine, what you saying "for all you know (the grannies) would have won if not for the giveaways" and while i understand that is just speculation, it's rude af, sounds exactly like saying they wouldn't have won if not for that

And please. People join events either to have fun or to get the items. Isn't it like that always? I hardly saw it as bribery

Is that what I think it is! O_O

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