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I watch you on DA, and read this in your journal, and was really disappointed hearing about it there. Bur finding out it was someone on Subeta? Uhg, I'm so sorry. I feel absolutely ashamed on their behalf.

Yeah I'm with Koterie, I would definitely consider this spamming.

I hope you find SOME WAY to get them banned, that's just awful. Artists (I know the ones I've commissioned, at least) put a lot of effort into a commission and it's absolutely low when people pull crap like this.

I'm so sorry. :c

No it's more like. The commissioner paid upfront the amount, so that Kafai don't have to worry about chasing down the commissioner and work for nothing. Except, that after the artwork was sent, the person decided to call their bank and said that they weren't aware of this charge on their bank account and denied having made the purchase. x:

It really sucks since there's not much you can do (since the amount is so small) and not worth hiring a lawyer over it.

yeah, like Kurishu said: I had thought that the transaction had already been done and over with, so I already sent them the art and everything. But coming from what just happened, apparently you can break the rules and legal bodies won't care.

I've had a few bad experiences here with commissions, and this is pretty much the last straw. I've had MANY people tell me my prices were too high, and even go as far as comparing me to other artists and their prices (even if our art looked completely different). I've had others criticize me for my payment upfront policy. I've had a couple people refuse to pay me sp because they didn't like the result. But this was the first time anyone actually went behind my back and deliberately scammed me for my work with USD. :/

what the hell, your art is completely worth the price. :I I'm really sorry you've had such bad experiences with douche bags like these, I can imagine it must completely ruin the experience for you.

hrrrggg hamleeeet why did you change your username D:

If you ever want another commission, my nomoretakingsubetacommishes doesn't apply to you. I'd draw you stuff any time, you're so nice to me ; ;

I am so sorry for what happened. In no way am I trying to condone what happened, but maybe it was a kid with mommy or daddys bank card, you know? And I really do think we should be able to make a subeta's most hated list, just so other artists will know not to take commissions from deadbeats.

Idk, this kid was old enough to like yuri lol; (he/she was requesting some art of yuri as well as a couple other characters)

but I get what you mean

Either way I'm still pretty darn upset about it.

Ugh, that's a really dick move. Sorry it happened to you :(

I don't blame you, I would be too, especially with them dicking around with USD. It's terrible when it happens with SP, but it's not real so the loss isn't as heartbreaking. I don't understand why there is such an influx of art theft and art based rip-offs that have been happening around here. :( I'm almost afraid if it continues that commissions are going to come to a screeching halt.

ashgda;lkdsFrikkin shit dude. I'm sorry this happened to you. This is the kind of crap I wish didn't happen to anyone. It makes it even worse that you got ripped off with USD. Reading the way how people here have treated you over commissions as well...urgh that makes me hella pissed. I'm sorry for your loss and the time spent on the work.

I'm so sorry that this happened to you. Something like this is always upsetting to see, but this one has just left me stunned. It's even worse that you can't do anything about it... This incident is just eating away at my trust in commissioners.

Paypal and banks are responsible for preventing this from happening; why in the world would they let someone just take back their money, especially without proof from the other end..? :/

Subeta should make an exception to their rule, especially if the other party deserves it and it protects others who may be at risk to being scammed like that. shakes head sadly ):

Have you contacted Subeta staff about this, to see if they can do anything at all? (I didn't see any mention yet about that)

I'm terribly sorry to what happened to you. Looks like us artists are going to have to keep an extra lookout and take caution when taking or ordering commissions, because things seem to be getting hairier and hairier lately in those forums...

Deja, Subeta's staff can't and won't do anything about this. This is a matter between the commissioner and the artist as the payment occurred offsite at paypal. Subeta has no way of influencing what happens between two paypal accounts which are not theirs. Way back when Subeta first okay-ed that artists could offer commissions for USD we warned that caution should be taken if someone wanted to go this route because there was no way the staff could do anything about a transaction that occurred offsite. Their jurisdiction is Subeta, and Subeta alone. If the thief did happen to use the art here on Subeta (post it on a profile or pet page, whatever) without the artist's consent (which they obviously lack because they did not pay) then a ticket could be filed and a UA could do something about that, as that is art theft and it is on Subeta. Other than that though, not much to be done. The only other possible thing that could be done would be to totally ban the sale of art for off-site money (USD or any other payment outside of sP and Subeta items). That wouldn't really fix the problem, simply force it to happen privately in SMail (so that both artist and commissioner are risking warnings) or off-site, like at DA.

This is ass, I understand the targeting rule is here to protect people but I think artists need protecting from people like this.

I'm super sorry this happened to you, how much was it for?

I wish there was a USD list like what Nataku was talking about, this way in case they are scammed through paypal the UA's could do something.

I'm really sorry this happened to you, I hate douchebags like that -.-

If it was some kid running off with a parents bank card, the parents could have at least emailed you because surely they asked the kid what they bought with it.

I agree, I think there should be a blacklist on Subeta so people know who to avoid etc.

I already made a ticket yesterday ha; Forgot to mention.

I'm not exactly sure if anything was done about it though. They told me that "it have been taken care of" and when I asked what exactly that was they said "Nonpayment/Scamming is a warnable offense if there's viable proof that the user has been scammed and or the payment has not been sent even though the user was promised that it was." and that my screenshots were "viable proof"

So I guess they got warned or something :/ (since the user had been advertising on subeta for art I guess that's the reason they looked into it at all)

First off, I apologize for what's happened to you. It's really a shame to hear about stories like this; worse yet, here on Subeta. When I first started here, I had been under the impression that Subeta was a much friendlier, safer, and reliable arena for artists and comissioners, and for the most part it really is; on the flip side to this, there will always be a handful of folks who're looking to do nothing but take advantage. It's especially easy over the internet, where transactions are faceless and lack stronger safegaurds.

In regaurds to your personal commission policies, I don't see anything wrong with asking for payment upfront, whether it be in full or 50%. Artists are regularly abused and taken advantage of, [even those who work on a more professional level; or especially so, I should say : C ] so implimenting policies designed to protect yourself isn't something people really even a place criticizing you about; especially considering an artist who has been taken advantage of in the past. I can understand their possible speculation when dealing with a new artist, but likewise, the artist has to be able to trust the comissioner as well.

There is so much grey-area involved with art comissions that I, myself, have never really taken them. For something that may demand a sizable amount of my time [which I have very little of!] and has the possibility of causing me excessive stress, I just can't see the worth. I resolved to simply draw for folks becuase I want to. It affords me practice, keeps me loose and trained up, and shoot - it makes folks happy! Even if it's just something small...for those who recognize the effort, it's a big thing, and I'm just happy with that. : >

In the end though, it's absolutely your decision and if you feel that you've been burned one too many times than electing not to continue taking comissions here may be the best choice. Nobody needs that excessive stress. You are a beautiful artist and will likely never have a shortage of offers if you intend to keep yourself available at other sources. C :

As a fellow artist, I'm -very- sorry this happened to you, but if the amount was decent enough ($500+, though unlikely in this case), I'd honestly get a lawyer over it. It's a contract between you and the buyer. If this happened via normal means, even through an online personal art site the documentation of them asking for the art is legit in court.

I've had several occurrences of this kind of stuff on Subeta and it's actually forced me to close commissions unless I have a very artistic moment and what some new subject matter. Even putting watermarks on works, sometimes doesn't help. I've had very elaborate drawings finished and only to find out, weeks later that the person 'changed' their mind about it. Even offering 50% up front is a hassle with most people but I guess they just don't understand. So, now for me I'm even leary of accept Sp commissions, let alone enter a contest (I've had worse results with that. Most of the time, once the art is done the user goes 'poof').